telling someone they are crazy on the internet

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I had an argument with someone I guesstimate to be schizophrenic or schizoaffective; with persecutory delusions.
She'd been posting for several days...and I had been trying to figure out what her issue was. At first it wasn't immediately apparent.
Then she started talking about her ex-boyfriend setting a demon on her...

The thing is, one of the common symptoms of schizophrenic/schizoaffective disorders is complete inability to realize you've wandered onto your own reality side-spur...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/schizophrenia/DS00196/DSECTION=symptoms

So I tried to gently tell her that she *might* not have a demon...but a mental illness. And she got rather annoyed with me for this. We went back and forth with her accusing me of demeaning her...which I was not.
Her world isn't a happy place...she has done nothing but complain about how horrible her life is.
But anyway...
It later occurred to me to think...is telling a delusional person they are delusive count as trolling?
Since you know the chances of them believing you and going to a psychiatrist are slim to nil...
Telling them that you believe they are crazy as a bedbug and ought to go see a psychiatrist really counts as winding them up, doesn't it?

I believe Asguard tried that with Kathaksung when the latter was spamming the forum with his delusive rambles.
It never works; it merely gets them agitated.
So it is...trolling...Of a sort.

(OK bedtime here)

 

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Is that what trolling is? Saying something that no-one will believe? That's probably why I get a trolling tag on some sites. My theory is hard to believe. Who cares? Does this mean that science is schizophrenic/schizo-affective?

Wake up!
Wake up!

I will shake science by the shoulders!

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I'm not qualified to diagnose...
I don't see any schizophrenia symptoms...not sure what I see...but not really schizo-spectrum symptoms...

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:shrug:

 

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I dont remember that, is it still around? there are ways to deal with this and it depends on the cause, for instance mental health proffessionals will on buy into the delusions of an alcholic because they will naturally go away, for a scizophrenic pt you acknowledge that is what they are experancing, you validate there feelings but you dont reinforce the delusions/halucinations

 

It works. If someone is getting loose the first thing you do is cut straight to the chase. I have done this first-hand a few times, and normally everyone will benefit from this.

Usually you don't know if you are going crazy. There is no good feedback system to ping and see results like a 3rd party you can trust. I expect my friends to tell me when I'm acting a little funky so I can check it out, and I will certainly always do the same for them.

 

Possibly, I guess. Certainly none of my interventions, limited as they were, ever worked. Sincerity is unimportant: perception is everything, as it always is.

 

As a nutter, it really is vital to get and accept feedback that, yes, you are not thinking right. Because your brain, being disordered, is rather unlikely to realize it's not working right. Bootstrap problem.
The thing about having PTSD and major depression...when I go off my nut it really, really hurts a lot.
Like, losing your best friend in a horrible accident sort of hurt...except there's no external reason for it.
This is why mood-disordered people tend to be more treatment-compliant...well, except for those who live most of life in hypomania...(good for getting things done, bad for your credit rating.)
Too, I reality-check any audio hallucinations...I don't have them very often, and they aren't terrifically intrusive anyway. I mean...if one of the cats looked, I know I heard a real noise outside, right? If I don't have a tv, but am hearing the Sanford and Sons theme song...mmhmm...yep.

One interesting phenomena that the internet has engendered...is "victims" of "government mind control" coming together for mutual support and to organize against the "mind control"...:bugeye:

Umm...yeaahh...
http://www.petitiononline.com/SMCA3048/petition.html

Tinfoil hatters, unite!

The above part that I've highlighted is, as a side-note, interesting...I have a sensation of pressure in my ears during audio hallucinations. One of the ways I know I'm tuning in KLSD again...

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Yes, I was just rolled into her hundreds of "persecutors"...
Maybe if I told her risperdal is a demon repellant... Which...from a certain perspective?
A med regimen in her case would be a demon repellant.

 

OTOH, if you tell somebody their crazy here, you're apt to get a yellow card.

 

Possibly...either that or agreed with.

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Kidding aside, the point is to get someone to a doc, not make them feel inferior... do assume tact is involved here.

 

What makes you so sure she isn't telling the truth?

jan.

 

When "interventions" don't work it is because the "interveners" don't actually care about the person they are trying to help, or because they are not qualified for the job; often, it's for both reasons.

Blaming the "misguided/crazy/deluded person" but ignoring one's own lack of care and qualification is just plain mean.

 

And I know the skeptics will howl over me saying this, but do I think there might be some disembodied entity chasing her???
Possibly...I do vaguely believe in the possibility of that sort of thing...
It's much more of an occam's razor thing-I run across mentally ill people all the time, but have yet to come face-to-face with an evil entity. The simplest explanation is likely to be the best here.
Too, she's not dumb, but her style of writing is extremely disjointed and repetitive.
Third item...she constantly talks about people persecuting her for her beauty...and that's where my social psychology book-larnin' comes in...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3917414/ns/dateline_nbc/t/face-value/#.TvMD1WN_ylI

She's posted more stuff now...about how half her neighborhood is persecuting her and her neighbor is spying in her windows...and stealing her trash

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I guess I report her to the admins if she ever hints at violence? Not much else I can do except read the laundry list of who's persecuting her today...

 

Perhaps you should institute a cadre of dedicated internet mental health professionals to convince the misguided to seek help.

 

Dont ask me, i like working in situations where i have a backup plan, like calling the cops and detaining the patient and if nessary sedating them

 

Japanese anime has a lot of demon analogies and imagery. Youth popularity and wild young imaginations would be expected to have a role in an increased observation of such events.

With many adult conditions of mild psychosis, any attempts or encounters of communicated concern, chastisement, quick correction, etc.... will be met with little return understanding, and futile results...for the amateur analyst or armchair councilor.

 

Pretty much.

Stumbled on this while looking for something else:

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/resources/consequences-of-lack-of-treatment/anosognosia/1375

Back on the mental-health forum i was at a couple of years back, there was a bright young man who'd just been diagnosed schizophrenic...and he posted about a camera that appeared in his dorm room.
He was able to hear from us that there was almost certainly no camera watching him, and he needed to call the psychiatrist for a med tweak ASAP.
Last I heard he was doing...reasonably well in college, although he could not get a scholarship to the incredibly pricey Northeastern school he wanted to go to and had to settle for a less prestigious college.
Being schizophrenic at all meant that going to med school was probably out of reach for him due to stress sensitivity; BIG disappointment for him

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I once told someone in the religion form their needed antipsyh med if they honestly hear god talking to them. You talk to god and its praying. God talks to you and you need help. She didn't like it.

 

One thing that many "mentally ill" people seem to have in common is that they don't read whole sentences.

So they only see

but miss out on the

:bugeye:

 

The problem is, rather, that many misguided people believe they are already part of such cadre of dedicated internet mental health professionals. And that others (ie. "the mentally ill") really really owe it to them to heed their diagnoses and snippets from scientific studies.

:bawl:

 

Suggesting to someone that they seek professional advise would be a prudent way to resolve this.