is there any known case of telepathy , someone who could really read other people's thoughts or even to communicate with others , any links , anything ,
:confused: :D

no, not that I know of. And if you try to say that you're telepathic all the skeptics here will jump down your throat. btw, i've experienced the above :-) Now all you skeptics, just leave me alone, please :-)
jane

janeelsa:

It was probably a coincidence, but I'm sure it seemed real.

It was probably a coincidence, but I'm sure it seemed real.
Are you implying that telepathy is impossible?

well.. there might be. As far as i'm concerned, anyone who says they can read minds is probably joking. But as for subconcious telepathy, more like intuition... i see it as a possibility.

Telepathy is not real.

All forms of communication require a mechanical or electromagnetic or biochemical medium.
This is because all data are mechanically or electromagnetically or biochemically recorded observations; all knowledge must have a physical existence.
Since it has no known medium, telepathy is not a real form of the transferral of information.

I forgot genetics, so I had to add "biochemical" to the list.

Since it has no known medium, telepathy is not a real form of the transferral of information.

The key words there are no known medium. You don't say there isn't one, you just say people haven't found one. Thus there could still be a way that people either just don't have the proper means of discovering or that they don't want to think about because it is too similar to magic or the occult.

Originally posted by Dearprudence
Fun.

I had an _extraordinary_ experience involving my cat. At the time, I wasn't into boozing or smoking or doing up around my cat, so no one can accuse me of being under the "influence". I was very sober during his short life with me.

Anyway, he was always summoning us to open the door to let him out and on this particular afternoon I decided to keep him indoors and ignore his little authorized requests, although he was being so cute about it. No, I was busy and I had just let him out 5 minutes ago. The darling wasn't pleased! And just as I walked across the room -- and this **did** happen -- I heard him meow while simultaneously hearing words!!! "You don't want me going into the garden," he cried. I swear, time stood still for several seconds while I gaped and shook my head... I believe you. I don't care what anybody else says. I think that is so cool that happened. It sounds so cute, too. I can just "hear" him saying/crying "you don't want me going into the garden!" That is so neat. So it sounds like you'd be receptive to one of MY stories :-) My husband and I were working in the garden. I was on my knees weeding the flower bed and he had just finished mowing and was going around the edges with the weed whacker. I was barefoot and when he got to me and started to go around I thought IN MY HEAD "dont cut my heels." He turned off the ww and said, "what did you say?" and I said i didn't say anything. and he said, "yeah you did. you said 'don't cut my heels.'" And I (amazed) told him I only thought it, i didn't say it. He said, "Yeah you did. I heard it." And I said, "Look, I know when my lips move and when they don't. I did not say it out loud. Besides you wouldn't have heard me over the ww anyway. I would've had to yell." He realized I was right and he thinks it's really cool that we had that little telepathic experience. Now, all you skeptics. Please don't harrass me about this. I don't care if you believe it or not. I'm not going to argue with you or try to convince. So please just leave me alone. Thanks.

If you want to be left alone, don't force us to look at the eye-sore of your posted supernatural experiences, you dumb broad.

Dear Prudence, it's pretty sad isn't it, that some people (for whatever reason) think it's okay to be cruel and rude and abusive. I mean, what if I was this guy's sister, posting under an alias, and he directed those words at me? I don't think anybody has ever called me a dumb broad before, at least not to my face. I actually think I'm a very intelligent woman. I just ignore these people now. They can say what they want, I just won't respond to them or get drawn into any kind of verbal battles. It's not worth my time. I actually left the board for a few months because I was so sick of all the abusive posts directed at people who just wanted to share some interesting experiences. So, as I said, I just ignore people like this. Get this- I can predict the future. This guy, the one who called me a dumb broad, is just waiting for me to respond to him so he can heap more abuse on me. And here's another peek into the future. I'm not going to respond directly to him. Sure, his words might be hurtful, but I suppose there's a reason he's a mean person. I kind of feel sorry for him. But I'm an optimist, and think there are more open-minded people here than close-minded. Well, having got all that off my chest (because I wouldn't be human if it didn't hurt my feelings for someone to call me names) I'll respond to your post :-) Here's my theory on how telepathy works - if you and I were standing next to each other it would appear that the space between us is empty when, in reality, it's filled with molecules of oxygen, nitrogen, etc. Energy lies at the heart of atoms inside the molecules. Thought is energy. This energy can travel across the "medium" between us from my brain to yours. Where the 'receptors' are I have no idea and haven't given much thought to. But that's what I've come up with so far. What do you think? And it obviously doesn't do any good to politely ask skeptics to not harrass me, so to those of you who feel it necessary to be abusive, I guess I can't stop you, but could you just try to restrain yourself? Just a little? thanks and ttfn dear prudence.

All forms of communication require a mechanical or electromagnetic or biochemical medium.
Oh, so I'm not using my biochemical/bioelectrical brain to interpret the electromagnetic signals travelling through the medium of "air" to my biomechanical/bioelectrical eyes?
Ahh, so this is all a figment of my imagination:eek:

When i was thinking for reading human minds Ive gone mad for a long time, now im better but still suffering from side efects. So whats the difference, so what if its true, so what if you can do it? I dont care, go read someone elses mind, not mine, you wont find anything revolutionary in me nor someone else.

Everything is already seen and everything is already found. Go find something else, if you keep doing this and if you read my mind some day you will probably go mad, just like me long time ago!

The best telepathy is talking with people, talking about feelings and dreams and other important stuff, not this. You would be amazed for what lies here, maybe a revolution of your mind!

Talking about telepathy is just like talking to pets. Do they get you or just swing their tales?

Imagine that u are a telepath, what do you see? Do you see urself as a part of this world or someone who can change things for better? And how you could do this? By talking or comment about another person? It dont change a bit, everything is still the same, you finnish in a looney house for years and even living in a cave or forrest alone of not beeing capable to stay with others as you could not stand it.
The idea of telepathy should be designed as I think something like traveling to unknown, talking to someone uve never met (higher beeings), gaining experience and in the end coming back as you my friend by realizing this idea have just been stated that you are sick and in need of medical attention!
THAT WILL HELP YOU!

Dearprudence you talk about telepathy but i cant see a mind of your own reading other peoples minds as u critize me in a worse way as i stated here : By talking or comment about another person? It dont change a bit, everything is still the same,


For doing telepathy a man just need to have a mental skill for processing all the given data.


Imagine urself in the city, the biggest street you can imagine as you walk by the poeople, do you espect to hear only few people or all of them?

In my opinion it could start by all people and where will you be then? Thats what i stated in my second post and im still behind it.

First goes ur pet, then maybe if ur up to it and seeking knowledge start with people one by one and then, what you think? Well, considering what i stated all stands to it.
Its not something new but there is lots about it.

If i say that I speak with gods, would you believe it?
Do you need any proof? Ill give you the answer:

If you believe I speak with gods, then there is no room for you even if you come there!
If you need a proof, then all I can say is: U will never get there.

As for telepathy it all comes in one package u like it or not. Package may contain lots of colours, but what if it comes to black?
Anyways, what do you see by term black? It all depends on what you see and that is a mental skill for proccesing given data.

And one more thing: go see the doctor, pets anyways dont think in words, have you considered it as ur mind just be playing?

dearprudence, I don't think there's any scientific proof that telepathy exists, but I still believe in it. I'm not going to try to convince anybody of it because it's a waste of time and I simply don't care if they believe it or not. I don't need for "them" to believe it in order to validate my own beliefs. But I do like hearing other people's stories. Here's one a friend told me - she was doing homework and it was getting late and darkish in the room and she looked at her desk lamp and thought, "I should turn that on." And it came on all by itself! Coincidence? Maybe. Some kind of electrical surge? Maybe. Will the skeptics and rude people here post an abusive response to this story? Maybe. But it doesn't matter. I just don't care what they think. Some people are so close-minded there's no talking to them. But this is a free board and if I want to share a story that I think might interest you, I will. I really do like that one about your cat! Anything else 'interesting' happen to you? I don't care how far-fetched it sounds, I'd like to hear it. And anybody else's experiences with any form of esp. thanks, jane

Noone here is close minded, especially me, well i think so.
But you still dont get it janeelsa, u wont find anything about it from stories of ur friends and from here!
All the stories you say are so minor, think global will you?

Think of god and what he (she) can bring you!
I even wouldnt rely on it!

This can go on and on but you will stay on ur own course as this what you see isnt real, and when it becomes a true reality u will be in the biggest street in the largest city processing given data, not here. THINK GLOBAL

I'd recommend Rupert Sheldrake's new book: The Sense of Being Stared At, for anyone looking for a summary of some recent investigations into telepathy.

Not everything in it is "cold hard" evidence, but he does give some good descriptions of experiments he's been involved in. He also presents a good summary of historical experiments such as those performed by Rhine.

It's fairly clear that if telepathy does exist, it is a process subject to high levels of noise and it is only manifests in statistical tests as the ability for a subject to score better than chance. As such, it is very inefficient as a means of transferring information compared to conventional means.

hi, hehe
you sound like you have a good attitude. I can hear the smile in your words. I'm sorry for being rude. I just get so tired of some people here trying to 'educate' me. I've spent decades of my life philosophising and theorizing about the meaning of life and god/dess, where did we come from, where are we going, how does something work. I am an intelligent woman and I'm always refining my personal philosophy to meet MY personal, emotional and spiritual needs. I don't have all the answers, nobody does. But I can't just sit like a bump on a log and say, "Well, I guess I'll never know so why bother trying to figure it out." I HAVE to think, to try to reason, to logically come up with possible answers to "Why?" But I never try to convince anybody that my way of thinking is the "right" way. I present ideas and theories I've come up with just to share. That's it. And I like to hear other people's ideas and stories because they often give me food for thought. But I don't try to force my ideas on others and I don't like others doing it to me. I guess that's about it. Just wanted to explain myself.

Well, thats better!

I was only saying about people that go far beyond limits as thinking of something, not to loose their minds in it.

Originally posted by Dearprudence

One experience I had that was also fun but weird, but perplexing at the time, was a dream I had.

I cycled to the gym for a work-out. Normally, I take the back entrance; rarely the front. On that afternoon I locked-up my bike (Apollo) at the front, where the bicycle stands are located. After my work-out, I returned to the stands but couldn't find Apollo anywhere. I turned and saw someone sitting on the front steps. I asked him if he had seen anyone near my bike. He nodded yes. I woke up.

I cycled to the gym for a work-out, something I rarely did. Normally, I'd take the back entrance; rarely the front. On that occasion I locked-up my bike at the front, where the bike-stands are located. After my work-out, I returned to the stands and like twirled around in circles 'cause I couldn't believe that my beautiful Apollo was nowhere to be seen! I shifted around hurriedly at the front steps. A man was sitting there. I asked him, might have you seen anyone near my bike -- even though I realized it was a futile question. He nodded no. I took the subway back home feeling utterly lonely. It sounds like you had a precognitive dream. Did the real event happen the very next day or a few days later? Did you remember your dream when you woke up in the morning? I'm sorry someone took your bike. That's a real bummer. I dreamt about a plane crash once and then saw it on the news the next day. The scene on TV was the exact same one as in my dream. It was weird. That part about the lights is cool, too. Thanks for sharing :-)

Originally posted by Dearprudence
Thanks. I've recently got a new bike, though. I like to think of Sequoia (my new bike) as a reincarnation of Apollo. LOL. :p

Anyway -- I'm taking off. This place like bores me to death, and I'm sure I bore everyone else too. Sooo -- it was nice chatting with you Jane: and please, laugh those little buggers off, right? Take care.

Duncan I will. Thanks.

kazakhan:

Are you implying that telepathy is impossible?

Not at all. I'm simply saying that there are no confirmed instances of it, as far as I know.

Not at all. I'm simply saying that there are no confirmed instances of it, as far as I know.
I think it highly unlikely too. But I think it wont be too long before technology gives us something similar. How small are cellular phones getting:D

There is no way to explain telepathy scientifically. All this talk about thought energies and such is nonsense. There is no medium in the physical world that could carry telepathy, so in essence it IS impossible.

Of course, there may exist a paranormal realm where things are not limited by physical laws, and telepathy could be a part of this. Then, however, the effect of telepathy should still be testable. No tests so far have been able to produce useful evidence of telepathy. Somebody mentioned Sheldrake; I have studied his test reports and they are too flawed to prove anything.

For some of the anecdotes related here: Well, those are good examples of a form of "telepathy" that does exist; the ability to guess what somebody else is thinking in a given context. Especially if you know the other person well, this can be quite amazing at times, but there is nothing supernatural about it.

Hans

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
this can be quite amazing at times, but there is nothing supernatural about it.

Hans I agree. I think it's quite natural :-)

yes, definitely :-)

There is no medium in the physical world that could carry telepathy, so in essence it IS impossible.
I thought our brains were made up of electrical signals, among other things? Of course electricity cannot create electromagnetic waves which we don't use for communication do we:bugeye:

:D
I'd say I'm generally skeptical of almost anyones claims, but there's no need to be narrow minded is there :)

I won't pull on a smiley when someone suggests that what I experienced was an illusion. Narrow-mindedness??? Puh-leeze. Unless you meant that about yourself?
Shit! You've taken that the wrong way. First I just had "hehe" but realised that may have been taken to be directed at hehe the user, so I replaced it with the smiley & still pissed some-one off:)

Originally posted by Dearprudence
I started reading a great thread in the Arts and Cultures with Lucysnow and Tiessa Hi! what's the name of the thread? I couldn't find the one you're talking about. thanks!

Originally posted by kazakhan
I thought our brains were made up of electrical signals, among other things? Of course electricity cannot create electromagnetic waves which we don't use for communication do we:bugeye: Our brains do produce electrical signals. But they are very weak. ANY electrical signal produces an EM wave, but because of the low voltage, low frequency, the EM waves emitted from the brain are too weak to be measurable.

So just because we cannot currently measure them why can't they be significant? Because this is not just a question of equipment sensitivity. Everywhere around us there exists a noise floor, that is, even if we turned off all man-made radio sources, there would be a thermal noise background coming from the Sun, the Universe, and even from Earth itself. Any EM waves emitted from the brain are several orders of magnitude weaker than this noise floor. This is the reason we cannot measure them; they are drowned out by noise.

So might not the human brain have some, yet to be realized hypersensitivity? No, it does not seem so; We can flood the human brain with very intensive EM waves, but they are not percieved at all. Consider your cellphone: It emits an up to 2Watt EM signal right neXt to your brain. This is billions of times more than the signal you might recieve from the brain of another person, even if your heads touched. But you do not percive it.

EM waves is a very throughly researched area. It is extremely unlikely that there are any important properties of them that we do not know about.

Hans

But you're not denying that electrical signals exist?

I was just wondering if _in some bizarre parapsychological way_ the brain might be able to perhaps insulate its signals, just as it can contrive a guise of time and space?

Certainly not. The electrical signals in the brain can be measured (EEG) and are an important factor in diagnosing many diseases. But they are measured with electrodes attached to the skin.

What I am saying is that these signals effectively do not propagate away from the head.

If you are looking for bizarre parapsycological ways, fine, just don't confuse them with science. In the world known by science, telepathy is not possible. In the paranormal world, anything is concievable.

Hans

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Certainly not. The electrical signals in the brain can be measured (EEG) and are an important factor in diagnosing many diseases. But they are measured with electrodes attached to the skin.

What I am saying is that these signals effectively do not propagate away from the head.
Hans
Hi! Maybe the signals do project out beyond the head, but we do not yet have equipment sophisticated enough to pick it up.

Oh -- I get it. Because they can't "measure" something "according to the book" then we, who've experienced something that can't be labeled with science's laurels of confirmation, have no voice -- we don't exist. We are, in effect, outside the scope of human consciousness. Fancy that?

Thats what ive been telling you dearprudence, then we all need to see a doctor as its something beyond their imagination. Are you happy in the corner?

U better turn the face to the light and screeaam! Noone is there, cant you see it?

Originally posted by janeelsa
Hi! Maybe the signals do project out beyond the head, but we do not yet have equipment sophisticated enough to pick it up. As I already stated: It is not a question of equipment, it is a question of signal to noise ratio. The universe has a noise floor, any signals that are significantly below that noise floor are impossible to detect, no matter how sensitive the equipment. We can actually detect narrow-band signals some 16 dB into the noise floor, but brain signals are not narrow-band.

Plus, as I also mentioned above, we KNOW that the human brain is not sensitive to EM waves, because if it was, you would "hear" radio signals.

So put those two things together:

Transmitted signals are so weak they are drowned out by noise
+
No receiver sensitivity
=
No communication.

Again: There is no physical mechanism that could support telepathy.

Hans

Plus, as I also mentioned above, we KNOW that the human brain is not sensitive to EM waves, because if it was, you would "hear" radio signals.
What about those people with metallic implants that have reported picking up radio signals?

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
As I already stated: It is not a question of equipment, it is a question of signal to noise ratio. The universe has a noise floor, any signals that are significantly below that noise floor are impossible to detect, no matter how sensitive the equipment. We can actually detect narrow-band signals some 16 dB into the noise floor, but brain signals are not narrow-band.

Plus, as I also mentioned above, we KNOW that the human brain is not sensitive to EM waves, because if it was, you would "hear" radio signals.

So put those two things together:

Transmitted signals are so weak they are drowned out by noise
+
No receiver sensitivity
=
No communication.

Again: There is no physical mechanism that could support telepathy.

Hans But what if... the 'band' for normal brain function (ie memory, motor activity, etc) was different from the band for telepathic function? Those others would seem to involve basic survival thoughts whereas telepathy involves communication. Maybe I'm not saying it right, but you know what I mean. Right? :-)

So put those two things together:
And what you dont get Hans?

Brain signals are so weak they are drowned out by noise
+
No brain sensitivity
=
No conversation.

Or put it like this: (my imaginary side)

So whats the reason people dont think they read human minds but they say they speak with gods?



So put those two things together:
Then it leads to what you are saying Hans!

Janeelsa + Dearprudence:

None of science is proven beyond doubt, so don't worry too much about acceptance of "unproven" phenomena. The problem is actually a bit different.

The telepathic effects that most people report occur so infrequently and unreliably that it's possible that people are only imagining them.

I understand what you mean with your husband - I sometimes hear what my love's thinking as well and vice versa. I can't tell what the mechanism is though, so I don't immediately believe that it's telepathy 'cause it could be something else - subtle sounds and smells, subconscious sense of another person's body language, it's difficult to tell. In the biz they refer to this as Hypersensory Perception, HSP, which basically refers to a situation in which your normal senses are more sensitive than you give them credit for.

Having seen some of the weird yet plausible explanations which arise for some circumstances, I am unwilling to decide on a theory for these sorts of phenomena. To adopt mental telepathy as the explanation seems premature, since this is the only evidence I have.

can someone who can do telepathy do telekinesis as well?

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
Plus, as I also mentioned above, we KNOW that the human brain is not sensitive to EM waves, because if it was, you would "hear" radio signals.

So put those two things together:

Transmitted signals are so weak they are drowned out by noise
+
No receiver sensitivity
=
No communication.

Again: There is no physical mechanism that could support telepathy.

Who's been lying to you? Of course the brain is sensitive to EM waves, it's not even a matter of speculation anymore, hasn't been for years. It's observable fact. Countless government funded studies by the worlds biggest nations, including ours, has already reconciled this. It's the reason many european countries have instituted laws regarding an age limit for possessing a cellular phone: The EM radiation from cell phones has been linked to cancer; brain tumors in children especially because their brains, having not fully developed, are more sensitive to the effects of the EM waves. Just one small example.

There are organically synthesized magnetite crystals located in the sinuses of the human ethmoid bone. R. Baker, 1983. Just one among other many experiments conducted regarding the human body's ability to detect electromagnetic phenomena. Experiments have been conducted in which the hypothesis was tested stating that these crystals are used(by the numbers of nerve endings in the immediate area) by the brain to orient itself to the poles.

If you don't know anything about the DC perineural system and it's electromagnetic fields, then you really need to read up. It's existence provides the only theory of parapsychology that's amenable to direct experiment. It yields hypothesis for almost all such phenomena.

<i>The EM radiation from cell phones has been linked to cancer.</i>

I don't think so.

EM radiation has been linked to cancer.... but you'd need one really big cell phone.

Originally posted by James R
I don't think so.

I think so.

A university of Washington study exposed rat brains to microwave levels at the smae level emitted by cell phones resulting in breaks in the DNA associating with increased free radicals and increased cell death, and cancer. It has been found that people who sleep with a cell phone by their bed have poor REM sleep, relating to melatonin reduction, which is commonly linked to cancer. Leif G Salford of Lund University Hospital in Sweden found that cell phone radiation caused the blood brain barrier to break down. His continuing research shows 2 percent brain cell destruction in rats, like the study mentioned above. Many of the rats were exposed to a level much less than the normal cel phone peak radiation level. 70% of people experience a change in biological rhythms due to cell phone radiation.

Salford, L.G., Et al. In press. Nerve cell damage in mammalian brain after exposure to microwaves from GSM mobile phones. Environmental Health Perspectives. Abstract available. http://dx.doi.org/10.1289/ehp.6039

Also, four times the radiation emitted from the cell phone has been found to come from the little handsfree earpiece people buy. www.waveguide.org/library/cellphones.html

Best of Show:

Researchers in Sweden found a 30% increased risk for brain tumors in regular cell phone users. I'll let you read it for yourself;
http://www.rfsafe.com/its_time_to_be_rf_safe.htm

And while you're at it, browse around that last site for a bit if you need a little more convincing.

For all you skeptics out there, telepathy is real..

How so:confused:, You ask?

The way our body functions is that of our brain sending signals (impulses) throughout our body. The theory of metaphysics is that if our brain can send these signals throughout our body, why can't we project them outside of our body? Think about that, y'all.

Allow me to embelish a bit on The Avatar's explanation. What I believe he is trying to say is this:

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As you know, everything is made up of molecules. Everything. The human body is controlled by having the brain send electrical signals to separate parts of the body, having them react in the way desired. So, if the brain can send signals to the body, why can't it send electrical signals through the air, to alter reality outside of the body? I.E. Altering the properties of something, perhaps speeding up the molecules in an effort to make it faster. Why not? Even air is made up of molecules?

[I know the theory needs a bit more work, but bear with me here]

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I know the Avatar personally and introduced this concept to him...I presume he was trying to resonate it in the above post.

Not sure if that theory is entirely correct for this discussion...it applies a bit more to Telekinesis than Telepathy...but with a bit o' word-twisting you might be able to mold it to Telepathy, as well.

-Ozymandias

Edit: I shortened my original paragraph...cutting it down to the core issues. The whole 'paragraph' can be found on the following site:

http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Kinesis%20Abilities.html

Perhaps this thread is a bit too old to revive, but.. (I'm not such a frequent visitor here).

Sure, EM waves have effect on the brain (like possible cancer generation), but that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about passing information from one brain to another, and not even just over a short range; most anecdotes about telepathy involve considerable distances.

There is no mechanism for this known to science. You can always hypothesize that some perfectly natural, yet undiscovered mechanism exists, but that remains pure speculation.

Science is quite cabable of handling the unexplained: If it exists, you can test it. So with telepathy; even with absolutely no knowledge of HOW telepathy might work, it is perfectly possible to design experiments to test IF it works.

Such experiments have been carried out, but all fall in at least one of the following categories:

- Negative results.
- Inconclusive results.
- Flawed protocols.

About the brain communicating with the body:
Yes, the brain communicates with the body. We know the ways it does this in great detail, it happens mostly by electrochemical signalling and with hormones.

Neither of these travel through the air. ....... Actually that is not quite true: Some hormones result in the production of pheromones, scent materials, which can be used for certain communication between persons. This, however, does not fall within the normal definition of telepathy.

Hans

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
This, however, does not fall within the normal definition of telepathy.


As I said before, Hans:

Originally posted by Ozymandias
...it applies a bit more to Telekinesis than Telepathy...

I know my former post was kind of off-topic, but I was just trying to elaborate on The Avatar's first post...nothing wrong with that, right?

I would like to present a scenerio. Let there be two people. Perhaps they know of each other, perhaps they don't. One has lost his keys. The other finds them. Is is so hard to believe, that a sub-conscious mind can communicate with another sub-conscious mind?

No, there is not, at this time, empirical evidence which gives the proof skeptics need. However, I believe the problem is with the experiments. Telepathy, as far as I see, is hardly a consciously directed affair. But when experiencing instances, such as the one above, the simplicity becomes obvious.

Just my two cents.

Originally posted by MRC_Hans
There is no mechanism for this known to science. You can always hypothesize that some perfectly natural, yet undiscovered mechanism exists, but that remains pure speculation.

Yes, there is. No hypothesis needed. ELF waves travel consistently the length and breadth of the world without dying out. They are the only electromagnetic waves that do so undisturbed. Very weak signals that ALSO relate to the DC perineural system as far as strength of signal. So, the electrical system that makes our body work and our cells communicate to each other works on the same level of ELF waves that can travel the world unhindered and undiminished by outside effects. Doesn't take much of a leap of faith.

<i>Let there be two people. Perhaps they know of each other, perhaps they don't. One has lost his keys. The other finds them. Is is so hard to believe, that a sub-conscious mind can communicate with another sub-conscious mind?</i>

Why is it so much harder for some people to believe that coincidences can happen?

Originally posted by James R
<i>Let there be two people. Perhaps they know of each other, perhaps they don't. One has lost his keys. The other finds them. Is is so hard to believe, that a sub-conscious mind can communicate with another sub-conscious mind?</i>

Why is it so much harder for some people to believe that coincidences can happen?

I don't deny that this is certainly a possibility. And very well may have been in the instance noted above. However, what is the point of a pursuit of knowledge if we cannot at least entertain the idea, as your quote suggests?

I don't want to debate with you. I know I need to be more of a skeptic, but.. in the same thought, I believe to have seen too many coincidences for them all to be coincidences. And I like seeking possibility. With this, the simple becomes clear, the mystery is no longer. Since we are uncertain to the magnitude of the potential of the mind, we can continue to entertain these possibilities until the 'answer' is found.

yeah.

If you are interested in learning about telepathy I recommend YOUR SIXTH SENSE by Belleruth Naparstek.

So just because we cannot currently measure them why can't they be significant? Because this is not just a question of equipment sensitivity. Everywhere around us there exists a noise floor, that is, even if we turned off all man-made radio sources, there would be a thermal noise background coming from the Sun, the Universe, and even from Earth itself. Any EM waves emitted from the brain are several orders of magnitude weaker than this noise floor. This is the reason we cannot measure them; they are drowned out by noise.Measure the brain, what do you find? Noise.
I would actually think that the more powerful EM waves are easier to sort away by the brain, what we think of as weak can easily be changed by the brain, so that the weak signals becomes great signals and vice versa.

Ok, so then we have alot of weak signals some from other minds, some from natural sources (like the background radiation), now picture that the brain has a kind of receiver, that picks out the signals that carries a certain pattern, or a certain frequency (or both) then we have the means of telepathy.


My personal belief though, is that each part of the brain, doesn't know what the other part is thinking. I think everything is guessing. Each part receives a environment-feeling (closely linked to atmosphere) from that feeling it has to guess what it has to do. When the part get it wrong then the atmosphere changes negativly, when the part get it right, then the atmosphere changes positivly.

When we talk to another person it is exactly the same thing, we feel a atmosphere and guess what the other person means based on the atmosphere, when we get it right, when we know what the other person meant then we get a positive atmosphere and we feel somehow "connected" and happy :).

Our mood controls the atmosphere as much as the atmosphere controls our mood (this is mostly visible when many people talk about something), haven't you had the experiance when the atmosphere changes and everyone felt it? The atmosphere is the link between persons and judging from the atmosphere we can guess what the other persons are thinking (the same way as the parts in the brain).

There is a higher level of being, and we are the parts, while we do what we think is for our own good it has another purpose (both for our own good however) and we are "blinded" from the truth, because it's dangerous for the truth to be known (cause then we could really make a mess, there are bad people out there).

I said that there are "bad people" out there, but what I really meant is that there are bad actions and the ignorance to avoid what's good for everyone. There are no "bad people", there's hope for everyone.

HAHAHA, i love it, i read one comment here which summs up what science thinks of things that cant or havent been explained yet.

It aint possible cause bubba, me and that fella over there say so.

Honestly, everything is possible, there are just more efficient ways of going about things.

For the lady that posted that she had a psychic experience, good for you. Dont listen to other people that tell you you're either lying, and idiot, or it never happened. Who cares? it was your precious experience. Altough you should try doing it over distances and i think it'll work just the same.

Science doesnt like saying, we cant prove it, but it might be possible. Science would rather say we cant prove it, therefore its not possible.

There is so much to learn, so much to discover, yet everybody just dismisses things such as "psychic', energy healing, people talking to angels.

Have an open mind, if you dont believe in it, dont bother shooting other people down over it.

Another thing that bothers me, is that people reject something just because of the sound of it. That's probably the real reason why people dismiss these things without even thinking much about it.

If you have questions about the existance of telepathy as well as other parapsychological topics, go to http://www.psipog.net/ It even has some pictures and movie clips of people performing some of these things...This isn't spam, its just that theres too much information and theory (and theoretical information, lol) about this topic to make one post...hope this helped some :-)

I thought that the general scientific view of psychic powers, particularly telepathy was "if people do have telepathy, we are pretty sure that it is not an electromagnetic phenomenon."

That's the only hard science I've ever heard on telepathy - it's probably not electromagnetic. A good scientist does not try to explain something that they don't know about.

But I hope you won’t. This is a sincere post about something I truly believed was real, at the time. I will relate a personal experience that occurred about thirty years ago. This will be a necessarily long recital, because it is necessary to include my train of thought at the time, and how I arrived at the conclusions that I did.

Everybody, I suppose, has "thought" something and then the person next to him says the very same thing. It had happened to me occasionally before, and I generally wrote it off as coincidence....no big deal.

But during a period of a week, I was experiencing this phenomenon several times a day. I was curious as to why this was happening and tried to figure it out. I rejected body-language as a cause, because often the people were not in my direct view when this would occur. Then I began to consider telepathy as a possibility, but I had problems with that scenario.

For one thing, the thoughts I was having that were being spoken by others were "my" thoughts. I mean, they were in "my" voice, so far as one has a sound to one's thoughts. So I considered that perhaps I was somehow projecting my thoughts to others, and they were subconsciously picking them up and blurting them out. But this did not make sense, either. In fact, the thoughts I am referring to seemed to not be part of my own train of thought at the moment, but rather foreign to whatever was on my mind.

My next move was to question what another's thoughts would sound like were I to receive them directly into my mind. Would they sound different; would there be a tonal quality difference, for example, would a woman's thoughts be higher pitched in my mind than a man's? I decided that they would all probably sound alike and impossible to differentiate from my own thoughts based on "sound", so if it was indeed telepathy, it was useless.

Buy then I had an idea. I decided to pay very close attention to <i>what</i> I was thinking. In other words, every minute or so I would stop and review my train of thought, seeing how one thought led to another, etc. And when a thought popped into my head that seemed to not be the result of my current pattern of thought, a red flag went up and I waited.

To my great surprise, it worked. A great majority of the time when this occurred, someone in the room would soon say the very words I had picked out. I still could not tell <i>who</i> the thought was coming from, but I was making progress nonetheless.

I was young, in my twenties, and I began showing off this "talent". Nobody really believed me, I'm afraid, so one day one of my skeptical friends was visiting and I had a small notepad and pencil in my hand while we were chatting. I was doing my mental exercise during this conversation when one of those foreign thoughts entered my head. I quickly wrote it down, and sure enough my friend said those very words. I instantly handed him the paper. He read it, turned white, got up and left. I never saw him again.

I realized then that what I was doing might not be such a good thing: people could get very upset and feel violated if they thought someone could hear their personal thoughts. It upset me so much I stopped trying, and have not done it intentionally to this day.

But I still believe that it was real, and I further believe that I could do it again if I tried. I'll go even farther and say that <i>anybody</i> should be able to do this. I would suggest that any interested try my formula and see if it works. It does require some concentration, something I am usually lacking in these days,
but I think it would be worth a try to anyone that really wanted to check it out. I would be interested in any positive results.

Hi John L!

First of all, if anybody laughs or worse just take it with a grain of salt; you're entitled to your opinion and to express it freely. I've had a lot of experience with what you're describing and one time in particular I remember hearing somebody's words in my head. What happened was I thought they spoke the words out loud and then instantly realized I hadn't heard them with my ears. I don't know how else to describe it. Another time I thought something at my husband when we were both working in the garden. I was kneeling in front of the flower bed and he was going around the edge of the lawn with the weed-whacker. When he went around behind me I thought, "Don't cut my heels." (I was barefoot.) He turned off the w-w and said, "What did you say?" And I said, "I didn't say anything." And he said, "Yes you did, you said 'don't cut my heels'" And I said, "No I didn't, I only thought it, but I didn't say it out loud because I knew you wouldn't hear me." He was still skeptical and I said, "Hey I know what it feels like when I move my lips. I did not say the words out loud." He believed me then. So he actually heard my thoughts in his head. That was kind of cool. I've had that happen a lot where I'll think something and then somebody will say it. I, too, have thought, "Did I pick up on their thoughts before they spoke them or did I somehow project my thoughts and they said them?" Your experiments are very interesting, I don't know if I have the discipline to monitor my thoughts like that. I do agree with you about respecting someone's privacy, so I don't try to make it happen, project or receive, and I stopped saying, "I was just thinking that!" a long time ago because I was just saying it too often :-) Well, now we're probably BOTH going to get laughed at or worse. I've come to expect it here and my skin's a little tougher now. I remember when I told "them" I could make dogs stop barking. oh boy, did I get a load of **** for that. LOL

John L
You did not violate their privacy. What you got was something they planned to say. That is they had formed the intension to say it. Your mind just saved them the trouble of verbalising the thought.

"... they had formed the intention to say it..."
A very astute observation :-)

Candy,

Not always. There were a few times I "heard" things that were not vocalized, and if I "heard" correctly, for good reason. But since they never confirmed these particular things by orating them, I can never be 100% sure if it they were real or I imagined them.

John L,

It can happen that you receive information that someone for some reason does not say but that still is not a violation of their privacy. It is more like an inadvertantly overheard conversation. The information was in their public mind or it would not have leaked.

It becomes an invasion of privacy if you delibertly try to access information someone wishes to keep secret. Such information is usually not floating around in the public mind but held in guarded parts of the mind but strong psychics can sometimes force their way into others private areas.

As long as you are not forcing yourself into private areas do not worry about any stray impressions you get. It is probably best not to tell some closed minded types that they are leaking. They really can not handle the information so it is kinder to leave them uninformed.