it seems that ever since the bible, people have been almost obsessed with the end of the world. but with all the time they've had, so many predictions have been out of the blue and quite random. with all of the foe predictions, there has to be on thats true...right?
No. Say you believe in God and what the Bible says about end times. Then according to that no one knows when Christ is coming back. There's a verse that say something like: "I will come like a thief in the night." Most succesful thieves don't advertise I'm going to break into this house at this time. That implies we will never know when He is coming until He actually comes, and we need to be prepared.
So what is the discussion heading for? Failed predictions in Earth science? I have a few dozen examples good for discussion. Or is it about religion? In that case, wrong forum.
i was aiming for the first, i just put the thing about the bible in there because it makes so many acusations, not everyone who sets a date for the earth's destruction is a catholic.
OK. Well, setting a date for the destruction of the Earth doesn't sound very scientific. And not every religion is catholic. Generallythe believe in any predestination can be considered as a implication of any form of religion. I would include the 21 December 2012 date, ending the Mayan calender. There is not a single scientific reason to link that date to the destruction of the Earth. If you do, then you believe in something irrational and that's the beginning of religion. So, the future of the Earth is really unknown although there are a few scientific logical predictions. Ultimately the Earth willbe swallowed by the sun when she expands to become a red giant in several billion years from now. However, the usefull life time of earth as a bearer of life may end a few billion years sooner , when the receding moon causes the Earth to get into an unstable phase due to resonance between obliquity and precession cycles, that may cause tilting of the Earth to increase to 85 degrees, creating havoc with the seasons (Laskar et al 1993). But before that there are many other chances for life to end on Earth. Sounds very complicated? Want me to elaborate?
OK, Unfortunately I do have some time consuming priorities right now but perhaps start with reading about the Milankovitch cycles. Those are central in the story of the chaotic zone. http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/seasons_orbit.html http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa121498.htm It's not about the alleged connection of the Milankovitch cycles with the alleged ice ages. This becomes increasingly more disputed. It's about the cycles only. Specifically the mechanism of the precession of the equinoxes. http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0840032.html Note that here is a slight difference between the Milankovitch precession (19-22,000 years) and the precession of the equinoxes (26,000 years). This is assessed to be vital for the mechanism of the obliquity cycle. More about that later.
Sooner than that, even - the Sun may remain on the Main Sequence for a few billion years yet, but it will continue growing brighter & hotter all the while as helium collects in its core. Earth's capacity to keep cool by organic scrubbng of CO2 from the atmosphere will reach a limit within the next billion years, since CO2 comprises only about 0.4% of the atmosphere today. After that, Earth can only get warmer, and more water vapour in the atmosphere will only boost the greenhouse effect. The oceans will probably begin to boil long before the Sun reaches its red giant phase. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
You're referring to the wet Greenhouse model for Venus (Kasting, J.F., Toon, O.B. and Pollack, J.B. 1988). There are some tiny problems with that though. However, Earth could indeed end up like Venus within a few billion years but not due to the wet greenhouse model. Venus did neither. It's a totally different story.
I think most of the end of the world predictions can't easily be refuted for the same reason they keep coming back. Almost exclusively, the coming of the end will become known (to the believers anyway) by vague 'signs' so everytime someone is wrong and the fore ordained end doesn't come they just say they misinterpretted the signs. A few years later they do it again and since they never have a definitive date they could go on until the end of time like this. so you're right about the fact that one prediction will be correct eventually but that's like a person that says, "ok, I'm going to die... NOW." every 5 minutes for their entire life. It might take 90 years but at some point they'll be right, not because they're phsycic or hearing god but because everyone dies at some point.
I am submitting this to expose a group I was involved with in Tucson, Arizona in the mid to early '80's and it turned out to be a cult. Anyone who has unsound doctrine and false teachings (especially the end-times) should really be labeled a cult or at least an end-time cult. They were very heavily into setting dates and predicting things to happen at precise times. And they are really heavily controlled by some deep, strong religious demons and that really can get a hold of you. They, with the teachings, bring on a real delusion about life and the world and takes away the reality that no one knows the time and that we should just live life. Yes, I agree this goes on and on and it has been going on for thousands of years. It is in vain and is vain babblings really and like a dripping faucet when you're trying to sleep. It puts you in a frenzy and a fanaticism type of mind. It is an illusion. You can confirm and read up on this group I was in and how they set dates on the Internet under "220 dates for the end of the world" Date Setter!" and by an article or book by Ronald C. Pine (Science and the Human Factor). And there are other places that people talk about the very group I was in. I never knew others used this group or even knew about it until I saw it on the Internet a few years ago and it was surprising, because I was in that group. They had other false teachings like the old forsake all teaching and also they'd teach you everything was a demon. (The chair, the table, even yourself it seemed). It gave a real demon consciousness to your life. And it is wrong and damaging and against the Lord. Also, like the people of Waco, they are very, very anti-government and they actually have the same school of mind as the Waco people. End of the world, False Prophet, and be isolated from the "world". Also, the cult I was in would teach you not to have anything to do with your family if they didn't follow the Lord like they do and believe like they do. Can you see the breakdown of the foundation the True Lord built through school and family? Also, this is really nothing more than a communist way of thinking. And of course, they are strong believers in the New World Order. That New World Order is the Lord's kingdom and you may want to research out on the Internet about the ones who believe, through scripture, ( I forgot the name of these type people) that all (or most) prophecy had already been fulfilled and ended at 70 A.D. I think they are pretty close to the correct interpretation and I know it goes against the "common teaching". But as you can see this frees you up to live your life now and not for a day or date, especially if Jesus and history has already for the most part fulfilled the prophecies. But I'll end this here, so I won't get myself into a battle and debate and let more "time" slip away over any analysis of this. And that is the deception: Satan comes and steals away your time, when you could and probably really want to anyhow use your time for something else. Thank you.
For any of you interested in what I call pretty close to the truth than I have ever seen it on the Preterist Archive website. They get into the difference of the meaning of the word world in the English used in Bibles and the original Greek of world which in prophecy means age. It really gives a new outlook on the "end-times" and if you do believe in prophecy you will see that it has been fulfilled, for the most part, in Christ. That is what most, if not all, the prophecies were connected with and to-------Jesus Christ.
Remember the scale of geological events. It's not that we have failed predictions, but rather the fact that the things we discover that are going to happen occur so slowly chances are most of us won't even experience something geologically catastrophic within our lives. I see who you're referring to...
I may have the wrong website for my experience to relate, yet I believe in the Earth and that we are meant to live physically upon it. So, most of our environmental problems, I believe, are man-made and it is why we may be on any road of destruction. The earth and God are not doing it.
Again, I want to say sorry if I have the wrong website, but this needed to be said concerning prophecy and because you do deal with the end of the world date setters who are wrong. You see, God said in Genesis the He would not never again destroy the whole earth as He did; destroy every living thing. It has been done and the earth will remain. Man may destroy it, but He will not. Anything I post will pertain to the failed predictions of man.
