SAMs thread on Jews and Israel

What have people learned from my threads on Jews and Israel?

 

Log in or Sign up to hide all adverts.

Log in or Sign up to hide all adverts.

All of them.

 

Log in or Sign up to hide all adverts.

that jewish parents sent their kids to the gas chamber
could you link that factoid?

 

Here:

Am I a Murderer? Testament of a Jewish Ghetto Policeman

 

next parent

 

All the ones he quotes, you can read the book [minus the apologetic review]

 

Neglecting your completely one-sided presentation of events and facts as it suits you, and the extremely negative context you place behind everything Israel does, some of the reports and videos you've linked to have provided a useful picture of what the Palestinians are going through.

Other than that, though, all you've taught me is that hardcore Israel haters like you are soundly convinced Israel is rightfully yours to carve up and distribute as you please, and in your present frame of mind, the idea of rational compromise and mutual consensus is out of the question. Also you have a very positive view of muslim conquests throughout history- whereas anyone killed by an Israeli is automatically killed in cold blood just for attempting to return to their ancestral homeland, any infidel killed by invading muslims was killed in order to end the suffering of his/her people and spread the holy light of Islam.

 

Bells:

I consider it apologetic that becoming a collaborator for an occupation is somehow seen as "forced" when the actual accounts of survivors from the Holocaust show that they were not. Or that it is even considered as somehow a validation that they were under occupation which makes it justifiable. Remember I come from a country with a history of colonialism so collaboration with the enemy is not something that is alien to our society. No one has written any tomes apologising for people essentially getting into the power cabal of the elite in order to give themselves a pass on the oppression. For all his protestations that he did it for his family, the author was able to send them on to be exterminated and walk away.

Rightly, the elimination of such collaborators was considered necessary for any resistance to be successful, which is also what the Jews experienced in the Warsaw Intifada. Remember, the guy who wrote that book not only sent his wife and child to their death, but countless others. The fact that he could not live with his choices is after the fact, it was the choice he made at the time that affected many others.

e.g.

I think I've learned that Jews falsely believe that they are better off only with other Jews, when the evidence indicates that they would be better off getting rid of their ethnocentric leanings.

 

sam, that you cant see past your own bias even when looking at unrelated issues. michael is no different (not going to respnd to 2 threads with the same comments)

you 2 are guilty on the same sorts of thinking that when internalised are signs of depression (an irony), ie taking potentually isolated incidents and blowing them up into a massive conspiricy while simulatniously ignoring positives.

for you its blaming all jews, all israilies and all americans with the same brush as you would paint the MINORITE of extreem right wing groups in the 2 goverments

for michael its a case of painting a whole religion with the brush of a small group of crimals and chosing to ignore what has lead other groups to desprate actions.

its sad to be honest

 

How is over 90% of support for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians among Jews in Israel, a minority?

 

no thanks

it is interesting to compare the choices of Perechodnik, who carries out his duties at the Umschlagplatz, and his friend and fellow officer Abram Willendorf, who removes his police armband and joins his family in their wait for death.

those were exceptional times that would have strained the integrity of anyone

furthermore...

The Judendienstordnung were Jews who usually had little prior association with the communities they oversaw (especially after the roundups and deportations to extermination camps began), and who could be relied upon to follow German orders. (link)

a tacit acknowledgment that it might be hard to get the cops to kill folks they personally know

 

Agreed, its why foreign "insurgents" are more violent against civilians [ Muslims killing Muslims] than home grown ones. But thats assuming that all home grown ones have a sense of loyalty to their kin.

Do they?

 

wow
i thought i was the only one posting in sigh

 

on the specific issue of jewish police 2 issues come to mind. one is a book about a jewish women told to chose which of her 2 children could live and which will die and the guilt she felt for that choice and how the child grew up because of this psuedo choice

the other is a study done on black cops in britten and there attudes to black people. this study highlights the ways insitutional abuse works by highlighting the fact that even though these cops are themselves black they still have been socialised to belive that blacks are criminals without even realising that they themselves and there own families are in the group they are discrimating against

 

Yeah most probably, I'd consider that those who kill their own countrymen by collaborating with an occupying power are making the same decision as Perechodnik.

Do you think its a different kind of choice?