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Andre
Registered Senior User (775 posts)
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11-12-08, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ophiolite One of the delights of science is that we are steadily filling in the gaps in our picture of 'what happened when'.
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The problem is however that interpretation of data is a choice that may be wrong.
Problem also with abstracts only, is that we cannot analyze the exact method. Furthermore carbon dating past about 22,000 years is not robust enough to compare with counted records.
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11-12-08, 08:23 AM
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The second link is related to the time period in question, and lends support to the other two links that abrupt climate change did indeed happen around 40,000 B.P. The oxygen-18 isotope data doesn't show a recognisable change, but this would only show climate change of a certain magnitude and duration. The change in the Earth's magnetic field indicated by the spike does therefore appear to corrrespond with a short lived abrupt climate change.
The point is that geomagnetic excursions could well be significant in the climate story, and shouldn't be dismissed so readily. See the Wiki explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_excursion:
"A minority opinion, held by such figures as Richard A. Muller, is that geomagnetic excursions are not a spontaneous processes but rather triggered by external events which directly disrupt the flow in the Earth's core. Such processes may include the arrival of continental slabs carried down into the mantle by the action of plate tectonics at subduction zones, the initiation of new mantle plumes from the core-mantle boundary, and possibly mantle-core shear forces and displacements resulting from very large impact events. Supporters of this theory hold that any of these events lead to a large scale disruption of the dynamo, effectively turning off the geomagnetic field for a period of time necessary for it to recover."
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Ophiolite
10000 is too many. Bye. (7,396 posts)
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11-14-08, 11:55 PM
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#9
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Originally Posted by common_sense_seeker The second link is related to the time period in question, and lends support to the other two links that abrupt climate change did indeed happen around 40,000 B.P.
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No. You are misreading the text.
1. Quote me where the second link makes reference to climate changes within the time period you are addressing.
2. The other two links do not support an abrupt change and indeed refer to changes that are opposites - one cooling, the other warming.
Your quote about the influence of plate tectonics on the Earth's magnetic field has zero relevance to your claim that the magnetic field could effect the climate. Why are you even quoting it? No one is denying that the magnetic field varies. No one is denying that we are not fully certain of why it varies as it does. The quotation is irrelevant.
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Ophiolite
10000 is too many. Bye. (7,396 posts)
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11-15-08, 06:36 AM
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#11
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Originally Posted by common_sense_seeker I have a working hypothesis that the Earth's inner core is affected by external influences which alters the magnetic field.
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I shouldn't be at all surprised if this was true. I shouldn't be at all surprised if it wasn't.
I would be amazed if you could explain to me why you would be prattiling on about external influences on the magnetic field, in a thread that purports to be about how the magnetic field effects the external. Will you at least try to explain?
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11-18-08, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by common_sense_seeker I've tried enough. I'm sending my hypothesis to somebody working more closely in the field. No offence, but it would too difficult to explain to members of a forum.
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So, based on your logic, if you are a member of a forum you must be a bit thick.
However you are a member of a forum, this one to be precise.
How do you reconcile this logic?
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11-27-08, 01:42 AM
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Citation? Hmm, it's pretty much obvious - humans don't understand action at the distance, learned humans use "magnetic", "electric", "gravitational", etc. fields as a bypass around understanding enabling measurements, practical applications and even some theoretical futility.
Read Feynman's lectures on Physics, even better - listen mp3s of the lectures given by Feynman (he did not actually write the books himself). He said something like this, "During the Middle Ages, educated people thought that angels push Earth around Sun by flapping their wings. Today we explain Earth movement by action of the gravitational fields. Both explanations are equivalent, it just that angel's wings have been renamed into gravitational field."
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