Climate Modeling

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  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    The DUH! factor...

    Shake-up for climate models
    Models simulating global climate don't capture fine-scale ups and downs of temperature.

    1 July 2002
    PHILIP BALL


    Model figures don't wobble right.
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    Models that simulate and forecast global climate don't produce the right wobbles, a new study concludes. Despite immense complexity and sophistication, these computer models fail to capture the fluctuations of atmospheric temperatures over months and years.

    The models mimic fluctuations better when they include the effects of dust and other small atmospheric particles or 'aerosols' on the sunlight that the atmosphere reflects and absorbs. Over the past decade, aerosols have been recognized as a crucial aspect of the climate system. The study supports the contention that models that take these particles into account are more accurate.

    Armin Bunde of the University of Giessen and colleagues in Israel and Germany compared the results of seven different climate models (general circulation models, or GCMs) against measurements of real atmospheric temperatures. The latter consisted of monthly averages of the daily maximum temperatures recorded over several years at two monitoring stations in Russia and Texas1.

    Previously, the same team had found that a universal mathematical relationship known as a power law describes the correlations between temperature fluctuations over different timescales. This 'scaling law' holds fast for timescales from a few months to ten years or more.

    Now the researchers have found that existing GCMs do not generate this observed scaling law. Some GCMs produce something that looks a little like it on short timescales, but they mostly generate temperature fluctuations that are essentially random over timescales of more than two years.

    Even when the GCMs do produce something that looks like the proper scaling law, the precise numerical nature of the law is different from that found in real life, and varies for simulated climates of different geographical regions.

    One reason for the deficiency, says Bunde's team, might be that models fail to include some potentially crucial factors, such as volcanic eruptions and changes in the Sun's output, that can influence climate over several years. It is also possible that the models do not properly capture the fundamental workings of the climate system.

    Studying fluctuations may provide a valuable way of testing different models
    Peter Cox
    UK Meteorological Office



    "It doesn't surprise me that climate models don't capture this behaviour," says Peter Cox of the UK Meteorological Office's Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research. Cox is nonetheless heartened that the models reproduce the right behaviour under some conditions.

    Their ability to predict long-term temperature changes, for example, is not called into question, he points out. Cox suspects that the differences between simulations and the real world probably stem from well-known limitations in resolution - how finely the simulations can divide up time and space.

    And studying fluctuations, rather than trends - in effect, 'noise' rather than 'signal' - may provide a valuable way of testing different models, he notes. "Looking at scaling behaviour is an intriguing new way to study how a system behaves," says Cox.


    References
    Govindan, R. B. et al. Global climate models violate scaling of the observed atmospheric variability. Physical Review Letters, 89, 28501, (2002).


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  3. Gifted World Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    It's official!

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  5. Edufer Tired warrior Registered Senior Member

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    Modelling is for hobbysts...

    For months I have been trying to tell you that Climate Modelling just "sucks". You could predict better future climate by the means of Egyptian Tarot cards, reading the coffee remains in your cup, or reading ckicken guts. LOL!

    Just see this:

    http://mitosyfraudes.8k.com/INGLES/ModelSoon.html

    Remember you saw it at my website (chuckle, chuckle).

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  7. nroweatherman Registered Senior Member

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    models do not = reality bcuz

    somebody in worshintoon be messin witcha'lls heads. creating massive heat, flooding, manufactured el ninos, forest fires (thanx fireman "heroes"), quakes, freezouts - u name it, we got it. how we gonna get rid of it?

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  8. kmguru Staff Member

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    Re: models do not = reality bcuz

    1. Find a quiet neighborhood....
    2. Control through science and technology
    3. Dont burn letters from your ex in the middle of a forest
    4. Hire mentally stable firemen
    5. Build houses in flood prone areas on stilts
    6. Build houses using reenforced concrete and not paper
    7. Stay away from earthquake zones or atleast build sturdy houses.
    8. Use technology to live....
     
  9. nroweatherman Registered Senior Member

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    You can't be

    David Letterman in disguise? I forgot to mention tornados that somehow have a mind... they go up one street & down the next.
    Stilts will not help. Better yet build a fallout shelter - go down there & don't come out. But the flood will get you. Can't win for losin.

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  10. Gifted World Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Use flood plain for farmland, not houses.
     

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