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madanthonywayne's Avatar madanthonywayne
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Old 11-20-07, 05:33 PM
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Some members of this forum have an extreme aversion to porn. Feminists have suggested that porn causes women to be objectified and therefore increases sex crimes. A recent study shows just the opposite:
First, porn. What happens when more people view more of it? The rise of the Internet offers a gigantic natural experiment. Better yet, because Internet usage caught on at different times in different states, it offers 50 natural experiments.

The bottom line on these experiments is, "More Net access, less rape." A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth.
That's a pretty powerful effect. Increase internet access 10% for a 7% drop in rape. Almost one to one. But, you might say, increased internet use doesn't necesarily mean increased use of porn! Maybe they're just surfing the web instead of out commiting crimes. Well, what about this:
OK, so we can at least tentatively conclude that Net access reduces rape. But that's a far cry from proving that porn access reduces rape. Maybe rape is down because the rapists are all indoors reading Slate or vandalizing Wikipedia. But professor Kendall points out that there is no similar effect of Internet access on homicide. It's hard to see how Wikipedia can deter rape without deterring other violent crimes at the same time. On the other hand, it's easy to imagine how porn might serve as a substitute for rape.
http://slate.com/id/2152487/
Another thing about this study is that it belies the old myth about rape not being about sex. If rape isn't about sex, why should giving someone another outlet for their sexual urges decrease rape?
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Old 11-20-07, 05:34 PM
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Hooray for porn!
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Old 11-20-07, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by madanthonywayne
Some members of this forum have an extreme aversion to porn.
Really? Who
snake river rufus
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Old 11-20-07, 05:50 PM
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I've always believed that rape was a crime of violence and porn is a sexual outlet. Why would there be any correlation?
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Old 11-20-07, 05:53 PM
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Yes, but rape is sexual violence i.e. it's more about sex than violence.
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Old 11-20-07, 05:54 PM
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Well the participants in pornographic material have a psychological deficiency that may manifest itself into other areas of their lives. Same can be said of people obsessively looking at it, many are capable of rape in worst case scenario or just develop an abnormal outlook on women in general. Take your pick.
grimace
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Old 11-20-07, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by snake river rufus
I've always believed that rape was a crime of violence and porn is a sexual outlet. Why would there be any correlation?
Of course there is a correlation. Rape is not always violent, to say there is no sexual component is fictitious.
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Old 11-20-07, 06:18 PM
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If you read his report, even he admits there are a lot of issues that cannot be resolved in the study. For example the fact that there are such a high percentage of unreported rapes in the US, and the reasons behind the victim's not reporting to the police.
Baron Max
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Old 11-20-07, 06:28 PM
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I don't know ...seems to show almost conclusively that if men get all or most of the sex that they want or need, then the world is a happier place.

Perhaps this will coax more women to put out willing to men ....and more often, too!

WOMEN! DON'T GET RAPED ....GIVE IT AWAY!

Baron Max
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Old 11-20-07, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by madanthonywayne
Some members of this forum have an extreme aversion to porn.
Do they? I haven't noticed.

Feminists have suggested that porn causes women to be objectified and therefore increases sex crimes.
It certainly objectifies women. Agree?

Originally Posted by tablariddim
Yes, but rape is sexual violence i.e. it's more about sex than violence.
I'd say it's more about violence than sex.

Originally Posted by grimace
Rape is not always violent, to say there is no sexual component is fictitious.
Of course there is a sexual component.

But the only rape that isn't violent is where the victim capitulates out of fear of violence.
snake river rufus
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Old 11-20-07, 06:48 PM
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I'd have to agree with what JamesR posted. Probably for the first time.
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Old 11-20-07, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by James R
It certainly objectifies women. Agree?
Most porn objectifies men more than women.

Notice how the camera seldom lingers on the male face?

Regardless, sexuality becomes more objectified as one gets closer to orgasm, for both men and women.
James R's Avatar James R
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Old 11-20-07, 07:06 PM
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Most porn objectifies men more than women.

Notice how the camera seldom lingers on the male face?
That's because most porn is made by men, for men, and men are more interested in looking at women than looking at men.
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Old 11-20-07, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by James R
That's because most porn is made by men, for men, and men are more interested in looking at women than looking at men.
Yes, and what could be more objectifying than being nothing more than an erection with a body attached to it.

Notice the cover art on DVDs, usually a big picture of the star's face...a women 99% of the time.
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Old 11-20-07, 07:17 PM
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I think this whole study is just a big pile of shit!!
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Old 11-20-07, 07:19 PM
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Lol... didn't last long my dear...
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Old 11-20-07, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by madanthonywayne
Maybe rape is down because the rapists are all indoors reading Slate or vandalizing Wikipedia.

Or maybe there watching rape porn.
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Old 11-20-07, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Reiku
Lol... didn't last long my dear...
Did you think it would? lol

Funny because I just watched a show last week. They had women on who were brutally raped by their husbands. Most of these men were heavily into porn. A lot of these men wanted to do the same things they were watching and when their wives were not interested they raped them.
They were also belittling them by saying stuff like...why don't you look like these women? Trying to get them to dress up like their favorite porn stars...calling them all kinds of names...expecting them to just drop to their knees whenever they wanted. They were completely abusive.
Reiku
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Old 11-20-07, 07:29 PM
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I have to say, that's a very good point.

A lot of sex-addicts use porn, only to resort to more dangerous things... its a bit like the psychology of drugs in many respects.
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Old 11-20-07, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Baron Max


WOMEN! DON'T GET RAPED ....GIVE IT AWAY!

Baron Max

Give it away? Did you miss the thread about selling it on E-Bay?
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