From the Dawkins thread: Economic Systems

What a retarded nonsense. Marx or Engels never claimed anything like that. And please prove me wrong on this one if you can.

I think you people got confused and have mistaken a dictatorship styled 'sucking dry' of a nation with communism.

Of course capitalism makes much more sense: An economy only works with infinite growth. Pffrrt. Physicists already have shown that the amount of matter is finite. Geologists have calculated that the resources on earth are finite.
We all know that capitalism also only works by exploiting workers and resources. This is mostly done in other nations to hide the negative effects and prevent social unrest in the developed nations.

who is the fool here?

The one with a ridiculous economic system that ridicules another ridiculous economic system. And moreover people who insist on claiming their system is better by comparing it to a caricature of a social-economic system; a social-economic system that actually never has been implemented on a large scale.

 

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i read the two posts you quoted, and got my typing fingers ready to type exactly what you just said...albeit a bit less eloquent. eh.

 

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Now I must bow here to your M.B.A. and forty five years of business experience, since I abandoned my own pursuit of an M.B.A. as pointless, and have only forty three years of business experience.
Could just point out to me this communist economy that made poor workers. I know you don't mean the former Soviet Union, or to give it its proper title , the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, since that - as the name indicates - was not communist, but socialist. The same goes for all the satellites of the soviets in eastern Europe. You can't mean the despotic, tyrannical North Koreans, since that from of governement is most certainly not communism, but crass stupidity. Try as I may I just can't think where this communist state resides, or resided, that you base your claim upon.
I look forward to being enlightened.

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You need a lesson in reality: if your economy doesn't grow in a capitalist nation you get poorer. If your economy remains stagnant you get poorer.

The only way to maintain relative income levels is to have economic growth.

Keep your silly propaganda for some braindead kids.

Yeah, that's what they do in socialist nations. But in a capitalist nation you pay for that kind of service.

And what are you going to do? Print money to pay for all that? ever heard of inflation? Money doesn't grow on trees you know.

You still can't eat information though. Or play Dvds on it. Were you going to share all the information by oral transfer? That's free. Not computers. Not libraries. Not networds. etc.

The naivity of all of it.

yeah, and you still don't know that capitalism is based on abusing a subset of people.

I would be ashamed to be so ignorant, willfully or by accident.

 

But why do we need capitalism in the first place? What exactly does it amount to in the net good?

 

we need it to accumulate resources to a few.

 

Exactly why we don't need it.

 

a few need it then

 

Nah. Not them either.

 

a few think they need it then and convince the masses that they need it to.

 

True.

 

I don't think we have to accept the self-labeling of countries, in a political discussion.

Whatever the kind of political economy the USSR had, we should give it a different name from the one the Danes and French and Swedes have now, eh? Just because the NAZI and Soviet regimes both called themselves "socialist", do we have to talk about them as though they had the same setup?

Communism - as seen in tribal or otherwise communally based economies - does in fact often seem to fail to build wealth - possibly because it provides no reliable mechanism for accumulation of resources in leveraged investment, so that everyone remains poor. Capitalism does seem to increase wealth, but provides no reliable mechanism for preventing its extraction from the community and accumulation somewhere else, so that everyone remains poor.

 

Everyone remains equal, not poor, in communism.

 

you can't eat wealth. nor does it keep you warm. it just sits on your bank account.

 

Never confuse wealth with money.

The two states are not mutually exclusive.

And people grow unequal, not poor, in capitalism ?

 

You can eat cheese.

Very unequal. Deregulation = abuse. The only thing left is to regulate the regulators. Ah! but who regulates the regulators of the regulators? Me, if you vote Geoff in 2008.

 

investing in stocks only means investing in a system that thrives on wasting resources and exploiting people.

no thank you.

I have a consciousness.

 

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Did you pull this one out your ass too?