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thecollage
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Old 06-12-07, 08:59 PM
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Did you all know that the word ear is in the word hear? Pretty ironic. I'll bet this goes over well.
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Old 06-13-07, 02:24 AM
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Probably a coincidence. But it's an interesting observation.

In German, it's hören and Ohr. But it doesn't work out in French: écouter and oreille. Nor does it work in Spanish: escuchar and oreja. I have a feeling it doesn't work in any of the Romance languages.

If only TDI would come by this thread and give us the Dutch/Flemish words, and Sputnik the Danish words, and Plazma the Swedish words. We need a more Germanic presence here.
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Old 06-13-07, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by thecollage
Did you all know that the word ear is in the word hear? Pretty ironic. I'll bet this goes over well.
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So? I find it much more ironic that the words "live" and "evil" are reversed spellings.
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Old 06-13-07, 07:33 AM
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Or that Evian is naive spelled backwards.
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Old 06-13-07, 06:33 PM
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Or that god is a backward dog.
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Old 06-14-07, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Athelwulf
But it doesn't work out in French: ้couter and oreille. Nor does it work in Spanish: escuchar and oreja. I have a feeling it doesn't work in any of the Romance languages.
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Escuchar means "to listen," from Latin auscultare. "To hear" is oํr, from Latin audere.

Because of Grimm's Law, the H in "hear" represents a K in Indo-European, so it's probably related to Greek akouein and the English derivative "acoustic." "Ear" is related to Latin auris, whence we get "aural." (The diminutive auricula is the source of the French and Spanish words.) The similarity is coincidental.
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If only TDI would come by this thread and give us the Dutch/Flemish words, and Sputnik the Danish words, and Plazma the Swedish words. We need a more Germanic presence here.
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There are lots of free online dictionaries. This one looks pretty good: http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html.

Dutch is oor for "ear" and horen for "hear," very close to German as is often the case. Swedish is ๖ra and h๖ra. The Danish words are almost the same, with E instead of A, and spelling the umluted O with that slashed "Crazy O" that I can't get on this browser.
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Old 06-14-07, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Fraggle Rocker
Escuchar means "to listen," from Latin auscultare. "To hear" is oํr, from Latin audere.
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Oops, you're right.

I also got the French wrong. They say entendre. But this is weird, because the Spanish cognate, entender, means "to understand". I guess semantic drift is responsible?
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Old 06-15-07, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fraggle Rocker
There are lots of free online dictionaries. This one looks pretty good: http://www.freedict.com/onldict/dut.html.
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For questions of English etymology, I like the Online Etymology Dictionary.

It traces "hear" in English back through West Saxon to the Proto-Germanic khauzjianan. It traces "ear" back through the Germanic languages as well, back to some PIE root aus, relating to perception. It's not clear from the listings whether khauzjianan and aus are directly related, though clearly the word for "hear" and the word "ear" took very different etymological paths over the course of time.
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Old 06-16-07, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Athelwulf
I also got the French wrong. They say entendre.
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I always wondered how they say "hear" in French. If Latin audere condensed into Spanish oํr, it would probably have vanished into nothingness in French.
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But this is weird, because the Spanish cognate, entender, means "to understand".
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I always assumed a double-entendre was a "double understanding." That makes more sense than "double hearing."
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I guess semantic drift is responsible?
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No doubt. It's a reasonable drift, like German knecht for "farm hand" and Danish kvinne for "woman". An etymology would help. I've never found an etymological dictionary of any other language, online or off.
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Old 06-17-07, 05:24 AM
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I don't really have anything intelligent to say, other than it is the same in Danish, incase you're interested.

Hear = Høre
Ear = Øre

EDIT: Oh and Fraggle, it's spelled "kvinde" in Danish. Not to be anal, but I just figured you'd want to know, with your enormous knowledge in linguistics.

Last edited by thecatt; 06-17-07 at 05:33 AM..
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Old 06-17-07, 09:49 AM
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ive never thought otherwise, comming from east london ive never even heard somebody pronounce it with a H, its always been "come ere" to me.

peace.
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Old 06-17-07, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thecatt
Hear = H๘re, Ear = ุre
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Yeah, those are characters I can read but not post. (My quote of your post will come out garbled.) The Swedes spell AE and OE with a dieresis (umlaut) instead, taking pity on folks like me.
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It's spelled "kvinde" in Danish.
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Aha, I found it. Kvinne is Norwegian. Is the D pronounced in Danish? It has so many silent letters.
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Originally Posted by EmptyForceOfChi
I've never thought otherwise, coming from east London I've never even heard somebody pronounce it with a H, its always been "come ere" to me.
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That's "Cockney" dialect, right? We're told that in England dialect is as much a function of social "class" as region, and that Cockney is specific both to London and to the classes that we Americans call the "working poor" and the "unemployed poor."

Edit: The quote didn't come out garbled? Let's try some other "special characters." Croatian ? - Czech ? ? ? ? - Danish œ - Esperanto ? ? ? ? - French โ ๋ - German ฿ - Polish ? - Portuguese ใ ๕ - Romanian ๎ ? - Swedish ๆ - ? Turkish ?

Looks like some languages are more "special" than others.

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Old 06-18-07, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Fraggle Rocker
Is the D pronounced in Danish? It has so many silent letters.
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No it is not, we pronounce it like the Norweigians spell it. :p
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Old 06-18-07, 06:53 PM
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“
Originally Posted by Athelwulf
Probably a coincidence. But it's an interesting observation.

In German, it's hören and Ohr. But it doesn't work out in French: écouter and oreille. Nor does it work in Spanish: escuchar and oreja. I have a feeling it doesn't work in any of the Romance languages.

If only TDI would come by this thread and give us the Dutch/Flemish words, and Sputnik the Danish words, and Plazma the Swedish words. We need a more Germanic presence here.
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Here are the Swedish votes hrrm...words: Höra, öra (hear, ear).

Go Sweden!!
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Old 06-19-07, 12:04 AM
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Ja.

Last edited by Fraggle Rocker; 06-19-07 at 12:30 AM.. Reason: We can discuss the meaning and etymology of cusswords here but we can't cuss each other out. Even if we get it wrong. :)
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Old 06-19-07, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyperium
Here are the Swedish votes hrrm...words: H๖ra, ๖ra (hear, ear).
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Got those already in post #6, but thanks. Swedish is the easiest Scandinavian language to access because it has the most speakers and is a player in the world economy.
Zephyr
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Old 06-20-07, 01:29 PM
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Interesting, they're even different in Lojban, the supposedly logical language:

dictionary link

aural (pertaining to something heard) tirna (tin): x2 of: x1 hears x2 against background/noise x3; x2 is audible; (adjective-) x1 is |
aural (pertaining to the ear) kerlo (ker): x1 is a/the ear [body-part] of x2; [metaphor: sensory apparatus, information gathering] [(adjective-) x1 is |]
aural kerlo (ker): x1 is a/the ear [body-part] of x2; [metaphor: sensory apparatus, information gathering] [(adjective-) x1 is |]

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Originally Posted by Fraggle Rocker
Yeah, those are characters I can read but not post. (My quote of your post will come out garbled.)
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Your quote looks fine to me.
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Old 06-20-07, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Zephyr
Looks fine to me.
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Yes, it seems I have access to the character sets of the "major" European languages: French, Spanish, German, Italian, Swedish, and Portuguese. But not Danish, Norwegian, Romanian, the Slavic languages, or any non-Roman alphabet.
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