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Nasor
Registered Senior User (5,234 posts)
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03-29-07, 09:43 AM
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#5
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Originally Posted by Blue_UK 3) "I have got a car"
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Thats definitely not correct English grammar. The fact that so many people write phrases like that is just another indication that many people have very poor writing skills.
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Blue_UK
Drifting Mind (1,420 posts)
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03-29-07, 10:39 AM
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#7
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"Gotten" always struck me as a worse abuse than "got"...
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'gotten' is an alternative form
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Originally Posted by Nasor That’s definitely not correct English grammar.
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No, it is. It's normally spoken as 'I've got a car'. You add 'have' before a past tense verb to imply it occurred before something. Obviously both are in the past tense, but one is more past than the other. This matters if you're talking about something that happened in the past relative to something that is already being discussed in the past. For example,
"I was working on a design when my pencil broke. Luckily, I had bought a spare one earlier that day."
Version 3 above is legitimate English.
Last edited by Blue_UK; 03-29-07 at 10:53 AM..
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one_raven
God is a Chinese Whisper (13,358 posts)
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03-29-07, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue_UK 3 roughly means the same as 1. It actually means 2, but projects the acquisition further in the past.
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Further in the past?
What are you talking about?
It sounds to me like it would be a past participle form (of which, I can't think of a proper usage).
Think of:
I am.
I was.
I have been.
The past participle tense "have been" is not further in the past than the past tense "was".
Last edited by one_raven; 03-29-07 at 11:22 AM..
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one_raven
God is a Chinese Whisper (13,358 posts)
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03-29-07, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue_UK No, it is. It's normally spoken as 'I've got a car'. You add 'have' before a past ense verb to imply it occurred before something. Obviously both are in the past tense, but one is more past than the other. This matters if you're talking about something that happened in the past relative to something that is already being discussed in the past. For example,
"I was working on a design when my pencil broke. Luckily, I had bought a spare one earlier that day."
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Your understanding of past participles is incorrect.
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Blue_UK
Drifting Mind (1,420 posts)
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03-29-07, 11:08 AM
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I think you'll find the examples I have given have all been correct English.
Explaining what you meant specifically would have been easier for the both of us.
An article I've found supporting my view that even in the US 'got' as 'have' is sloppy: http://www.wordcourt.com/archives.php?show=2003-12-31
Last edited by Blue_UK; 03-29-07 at 11:15 AM..
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Blue_UK
Drifting Mind (1,420 posts)
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03-29-07, 11:24 AM
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#12
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Originally Posted by one_raven The past participle tense "have been" is not further in the past than the past tense "was".
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It is when you render 'have' to 'had'. However, you are right.
"We have got him in custody now" is more correct than "We got him in custody now", this was my *intended* focus of this thread!
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Nasor
Registered Senior User (5,234 posts)
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03-29-07, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue_UK '
No, it is. It's normally spoken as 'I've got a car'. You add 'have' before a past tense verb to imply it occurred before something. Obviously both are in the past tense, but one is more past than the other. This matters if you're talking about something that happened in the past relative to something that is already being discussed in the past.
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That's not how anyone uses it. They say "I have got a car," when what they mean is "I have a car." I realize that to a large extent "correct" usage is determined by consensus and how people are actually using the language, but adding "got" after "have" adds absolutely no meaning to the sentence...so why use it?
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Blue_UK
Drifting Mind (1,420 posts)
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03-29-07, 11:29 AM
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Perhaps I have not described as well I should have done.
"I walked home. I bought a piano." (Both events in the past, assumption is walk occurred first as it is described first)
"I walked home. I had bought a piano." (Both in past but the purchase is further in the past than the walk)
(This was a response to a pre-edited post)
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Originally Posted by Nasor *this post has been edited since reply
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I wrote it to demonstrate how you would correctly use 'got' in a sentence without drawing focus to what is meant by 'got'. In response to your edit, adding the word 'got' adds nothing yes, but still read the previous sentence.
Last edited by Blue_UK; 03-29-07 at 01:36 PM..
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one_raven
God is a Chinese Whisper (13,358 posts)
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03-29-07, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue_UK Perhaps I have not described as well I should have done.
"I walked home. I bought a piano." (Both events in the past, assumption is walk occurred first as it is described first)
"I walked home. I had bought a piano." (Both in past but the purchase is further in the past than the walk)
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That's incorrect.
Read the wiki page I linked to about Participles.
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03-29-07, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue_UK One thing that slightly bugs me is the usage, particularly in the US but also here in the UK, of the word 'got'.
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i got me some doom wads.
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D H
Moderator (1,773 posts)
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03-29-07, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by one_raven That's incorrect.
Read the wiki page I linked to about Participles.
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Have I got news for you. "Have got" is perfectly valid English.
Definition number 10 of "get" from Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: 10 a : HAVE -- used in the present perfect tense form with present meaning <I've got no money> b : to have as an obligation or necessity -- used in the present perfect tense form with present meaning <you have got to come> My Webster's Unabridged Dictionary has a very detailed note. Some excerpts: HAVE or HAS GOT in the sense of "must" has been in use since the early 19th century. ... The use of HAVE (or HAS) GOT in the sense of "to possess" goes back to the 15th century. ... These uses are occasionally criticized as redundant, ... but they are well established in all varieties of speech and writing. ...
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one_raven
God is a Chinese Whisper (13,358 posts)
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03-29-07, 03:50 PM
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What is the proper usage of it?
Does it mean further back in the past?
That's all I've got to say about it.
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