The Great Global Warming Swindle

A new documentary exposes the "groupthink" behind the issue of global warming. How it has become an article of faith and anyone with the temerity to question its tenents is damned as a heretic. This is not science, and this is not good. The people behind this documentary are not a bunch of yahoo's.

So what do they have to say:

Many here are fond of saying, "Even if global warming isn't driven by CO2, there's no harm in cutting back on emisions". Of course, they are wrong. The problem is opportunity cost, money spent on CO2 abatement is not available for anything else. If it turns out that CO2 isn't really much of a problem, wasting all those billions would be criminal.

I generally point out how the draconian energy controls required to reduce CO2 emmisions would destroy the American economy. The film points out the impact on poor nations would be even worse.

 

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I disagree that cutting CO2 will have no economic benefit. The war in Iraq alone, important mostly for the oil reserves there, will soon rise to a cost of around 2 trillion dollars. Alternative energy will be a new boom industry, like the dot-com boom of the 90's. In any case, oil production is already below demand, and a struggle for the last remaining oil will be costly, if not armageddonish.

 

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Nice work Anthony...and a good summary of all the points Ive written about on this forum for a long time.

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>> the "groupthink" behind the issue of global warming. How it has become an article of faith >>>
Oh it is much worse than that, the deciders of our world's fate are totally bonkers

see this

>> Amazing mixture of conjecture and supposition re Earth's Climatic history by
Kerry Emanuel a professor of meteorology at MIT

http://bostonreview.net/BR32.1/emanuel.html

Here is a snippet of total garbage

>> And yet for all this sensitivity, the earth never suffered either of the climate catastrophes of fire or ice. In the fire scenario, the most effective greenhouse gas—water vapor—accumulates in the atmosphere as the earth warms. The warmer the atmosphere, the more water vapor can accumulate; as more water vapor accumulates, more heat gets trapped, and the warming spirals upward. This uncontrolled feedback is called the runaway greenhouse effect, and it continues until the oceans have all evaporated, by which time the planet is unbearably hot. One has only to look as far as Venus to see the end result. Any oceans that may have existed on that planet evaporated eons ago, yielding a super greenhouse inferno and an average surface temperature of around 900°F.>>

Comment
First Venus has no water. A run away greenhouse effect can not occur with water. The run away greenhouse effect on Venus is cause by methane, Carbon Dioxide Sulphur dioxide and other gases.

Second all the sea water could not be evaporated into the atmosphere, simply because clouds will form as some atmospheric strata and thus prevent further warming.

Water is what makes Earth unique. Water manufactured by LIFE acts as a thermostat against thermal overload. Ice on the other hand floats on water and reflects light back to space, ensuring the land and the sea can not get too cold. >>>>


This article by Professor Emanuel is rather interesting because it shows the blinkered science, the mixture of conjecture and supposition that must have been fed into the computers to create the climatic projections of the boffins.

The rest of this article is not much better.. I would not trust this man to look after my pet rock.

 

The "consensus" is begining to fall apart. Here's another example:

 

>> global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.>>

Another stupid scientist.. metal/mental poisoning is rife in this world, and no one understands

The world is drying out, dying and they are all running around as if (a) it is natural or (b) we got in under control, have another beer!!!

And none of them can add 2+2 and answer 4....

>> "The cause of this climate change is unknown," >>

Of course it is known
There is petroleum oil in the marine micro layer of anthropogenic origin, known for almost a centry... reported by every marine micro layer biologist and even NASA...

Oil on water reduces evaporation, no clouds, no rain, no snow, no life.

LOL I can not believe this world

and still no one listens, perhaps they never will

DEATH of LIFE on this planet.

 

Tell that to Colorado which saw record snowstorms this winter. Or upstate NY.

Where is your data to demonstrate decreased cloud cover? Significant and steady drops in rainfall levels?

 

Colorado has been in drought conditions now for numerous years, and that INCLUDES years with record winter snowfall.

As to New York state, the record rainfall and snowfall will do like its done for several thousand years ...run off through rivers and streams to the ocean. And they'll still probably experience drought conditions again this year.

Baron Max

 

The film will never win an Oscar.

 

Baron Max:

Actually, we generally don't suffer too badly from droughts here in NY, either in the city or in the state.

We tend to have a lot of rainfall all year round and our reservoirs are rarely at a low-level for more than a month or so.

NY also has tons of glacier grooves that make for tons of ponds, streams, small rivers, and lakes. These are almost always filled.

 

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MadAnthonyWayne:

I utterly agree with the economic issues. Any and all pollution problems should be solved through pragmatic solutions that keep our economy - and that of other countries - in prosperous conditions.

 

I don't care what the water does when it lands, I was wondering what proof the poster above had for decreased rain due to oil slicks.

 

>> Where is your data to demonstrate decreased cloud cover? Significant and steady drops in rainfall levels? >>

LOL, you live in the Northern Hemisphere... lot of land up there, little sea.... y'all are drying out but the picture in the NH is complicated because of ice melt overlaying the salt water, and land water still drying out

LOL, you should study the Southern Hemisphere... all the research is NH centric...silly people.
give it a couple of years and y'all will be dust...
The USA is in the grips of some drought... about 50% land mass and so are many other places in the NH.

 

>> proof the poster above had for decreased rain due to oil slicks.

a whole lot of proof
Natural Consequences
see http://omegafour.com/forum/

 

I give it 5,000 years or so before an organism evolves which feeds on this oil. (single-celled microbe or algae) When they get done, our descendants will lament the loss of the "oil layer" and the extinction of this glorious microbe. They will put some in a Microscopic Zoo, and wonder what the environmental effect will be for all of humankind.

 

But don't we already have genetically modified microbes that eat oil?

 

>> WonderMicrobes is a multi-culture concentrate available in liquid form.

LOL, you will treat the whole ocean with your artificial chemicals and mutated bugs ?..

Crazier than I ever thought

 

Yes. Eat the whole ocean. :bugeye:

How did we go from "eating oil" to "eating ocean"?

 

>> How did we go from "eating oil" to "eating ocean"?

the oil is over the surface of the ocean.... LOL

thats a big area, and a very big volume