Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html

    http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/10949


    References:

    Almut Nebel, Dvora Filon, Bernd Brinkmann, Partha P. Majumder, Marina Faerman, and Ariella Oppenheim. "The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East." The American Journal of Human Genetics 69:5 (November 2001): 1095-1112. http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v69n5/013033/brief/013033.abstract.html

    Mark G. Thomas, Michael E. Weale, Abigail L. Jones, Martin Richards, Alice Smith, Nicola Redhead, Antonio Torroni, Rosaria Scozzari, Fiona Gratrix, Ayele Tarekegn, James F. Wilson, Cristian Capelli, Neil Bradman, and David B. Goldstein. "Founding Mothers of Jewish Communities: Geographically Separated Jewish Groups Were Independently Founded by Very Few Female Ancestors." The American Journal of Human Genetics 70:6 (June 2002): 1411-1420. http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v70n6/013504/brief/013504.abstract.html

    Almut Nebel, Ariella Oppenheim, Dvora Filon, Mark G. Thomas, D. A. Weiss, M. Weale, Marina Faerman. "High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews." Human Genetics 107(6) (December 2000): 630-641.
    http://www.springerlink.com/app/hom...&backto=linkingpublicationresults,id:100421,1 (unfortunately this reference which is the most definitive is not available for free)

    Michael F. Hammer, Alan J. Redd, Elizabeth T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, Hamdi Jarjanazi, Tanya Karafet, Silvana Santachiara-Benerecetti, Ariella Oppenheim, Mark A. Jobling, Trefor Jenkins, Harry Ostrer, and Batsheva Bonné-Tamir. "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish Populations Share a Common Pool of Y-chromosome Biallelic Haplotypes.", PNAS 97:12 (June 6, 2000): 6769-6774.
    http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/12/6769



    What do you think are the ethical implications of the journal pulling the article?
     
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  3. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    None. Because "ethics" is a matter of perspective, not one of mathematics or science. Like "morality", ethics depends on ones point of view or perspective, nothing else.

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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What about social responsibility?
     
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  7. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    From whom to whom? "Social responsibility"? What's that? Something we cook and eat at some holidays or something? C'mon, Sam, you know better than that, don't you??? Or are you trying to get some kind of rise out of this obviously controversial subject ....of which you're so admantly connected somehow???

    The very term "social" implies a cohesive group of people. So ....to which group are you referring? And you will, of course, note that it makes a difference from one group to the next.

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  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The affected groups of course.

    Isn't it significant, in the light of present conflicts that Palestinian Arabs and Jews share the same origin?
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, it'll be different to the different groups. For the rest of us, who actually gives a shit? And it ain't gonna' make no difference in how they act toward each other after all this time of fighting and killing and dying.

    No, because science has shown by DNA bullshit that we're all connected back through history anyway. Ain't nothin' actually changed, Sam, you're just trying to stir up the Pal-Israeli issue in a different way, that's all.

    How can you be so narrowly focus on the Pal-Israeli issue, when India has so fuckin' many problems that it's sinking in it's own poverty, sickness, discrimination, violence, hatred, corruption, etc? With all of that going on in India, why is the Middle East such a major issue for you???????

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  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Oh don't worry I'm keeping up with the Indian stuff too.
     
  11. TimeTraveler Immortalist Registered Senior Member

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    It would not surprise me. Most humans are almost genetically identical so I don't know what they proves anyway.
     
  12. TimeTraveler Immortalist Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah Baron has a good point, why are you always posting about the middle east? Aren't you an American?
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No I'm an Indian Muslim.

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    And you don't know anything about genetic anthropology, do you?
     
  14. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Fortunately this information has been widely publicized. I first ran across it at least a year ago. I'm sure I've posted it on SciForums a couple of times. The irony is too rich.

    As for "most humans are genetically identical," that has got to be the dumbest thing anybody's said here since Cool Skill started taking his medicine. Congratulations!

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