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LIGHTBEING
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Old 03-07-02, 09:56 AM
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I believe that the Great Flood was just a Natural Phenomenon. There could have been many reasons for this Catastrophy. I lean towards these two:

Asteriod hits the Ocean and caused a massive tidal wave.

or

Global Warming causes the Polar Caps to crack.


Any thought?
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Old 03-07-02, 10:17 AM
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WHAT!?!?!

You mean that you believe it was not a supremely childish act -- a cosmic tantrum of a being said to have ultimate power but evincing no maturity or restraint??

Heretic.
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Old 03-07-02, 10:26 AM
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LOL

No, I would never worship a God that whipes his creation clean off the face of the Earth. It's a horrible thought and idea that Jews, Christians and I believe Muslims share. Sucks for them to worship such a "God"

The next time it happens want to play Noah.

Heretic LOL
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Old 03-07-02, 10:50 AM
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I believe there was indeed a sudden rise in sea levels a few millennia back, which was typically dragged into religious stories and such. I don't have it here with me at uni, but my archaeology book has some info on it.

Just did a search. Seems there's a great deal of information about sea levels rising and falling every now and then due to Earth's cycles. Here are a few links that mention it:

http://www.niu.edu/pubaffairs/RELEAS...drilldown.html
http://www.marine.csiro.au/LeafletsF...slevel/45.html
http://www.jasonproject.org/jason7/c..._movement.html
http://bellnetweb.brc.tamus.edu/sealevel.htm
Markx
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Old 03-07-02, 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by LIGHTBEING
LOL

No, I would never worship a God that whipes his creation clean off the face of the Earth. It's a horrible thought and idea that Jews, Christians and I believe Muslims share. Sucks for them to worship such a "God"

The next time it happens want to play Noah.

Heretic LOL
It did happen. And no I am pretty sure that muslims do not believe that it was a Global flood. Let me give you little insigt on this flood.



Archaeological Evidence of the Flood

Archaeological evidence yields the fact that the more suddenly a community disappears, the more likely it is that we will come across some of its remnants.

In the case of a civilisation suddenly disappearing, which can happen as a result of a natural disaster, sudden emigration or war, the traces of this civilisation can often be preserved much better. Houses in which people lived and tools they once used in daily life are buried under the earth in a short time. Thus these are preserved for quite long periods untouched by human hands and they yield important evidence of the past when brought into daylight. FLOOD REGION

According to archaeological finds, Nuh’s Flood took place on the Mesopotamian plains. The plains had a different shape then. In the above diagram, ( can't get the picture to load sorry ) the current borders of the plains are denoted with a red cut line. The large section lying behind the red line is known to have been a part of the sea at that time.

This is how a great deal of evidence for Nuh’s Flood has been uncovered in our day.


FLOOD REGION

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Thought to have been occurred around the 3rd millennium B.C., the Flood put an end to a whole civilisation in a moment, and later caused a brand new civilisation to be established in its stead. Thus the apparent evidence for the Flood has been preserved for thousands of years so that we may take warning.

Many excavations have been made in investigation of the flood which covered the Mesopotamian plains. In excavations made in the region, in four main cities there are found traces of what must have been a particularly large flood. These cities were the important cities of Mesopotamia: Ur, Erech, Kish and Shuruppak.

The excavations made in these cities reveal that all four of these were subjected to a flood around the 3rd millennium B.C.

First let’s take a look at the excavations made in the city of Ur.

The oldest remains of a civilisation unearthed in the excavations made in the city of Ur, which has been re-named “Tell al Muqqayar” in our day, date back as far as 7000 B.C.. As one of the sites which has been home to one of the earliest civilisations, the city of Ur has been a region of settlements in which many cultures succeeded each other.

Archaeological findings from the city of Ur show that here civilisation was interrupted after an enormous flood, and that then new civilisations later emerged. R.H. Hall from the British Museum made the first excavations here. Leonard Woolley, who took upon himself to carry on with excavations after Hall, also supervised an excavation organised collectively by the British Museum and the University of Pennsylvania. Excavations conducted by Woolley, which had a huge effect world-wide, lasted from 1922 to 1934.

Sir Woolley’s excavations took place in the middle of the desert between Baghdad and the Persian Gulf. The first founders of the city of Ur were a people who had come from North Mesopotamia and called themselves “Ubaidian”. Excavations originally began to gather information on these people. Woolley’s excavations are described by the German archaeologist Werner Keller as follows;

“The graves of the kings of Ur” - so Woolley, in the exuberance of his delight at discovering them, had dubbed the tombs of Sumerian nobles whose truly regal splendour had been exposed when the spades of the archaeologists attacked a fifty-foot mound south of the temple and found a long row of superimposed graves. The stone vaults were veritable treasure chests, for they were filled with all the costly goblets, wonderfully shaped jugs and vases, bronze tableware, mother of pearl mosaics, lapis lazuli, and silver surrounded these bodies which had mouldered into dust. Harps and lyres rested against the walls.


“Almost at once” he wrote later in his diary, “discoveries were made which confirmed our suspicions. Directly under the floor of one of the tombs of the kings we found in a layer of charred wood ash numerous clay tablets, which were covered with characters of a much older type than the inscriptions on the graves. Judging by the nature of the writing the tablets could be assigned to about 3000 B.C. They were therefore two or three centuries earlier than the tombs”.


The shafts went deeper and deeper. New strata, with fragments of jars, pots, and bowls, kept appearing. The experts noticed that the pottery remained surprisingly enough unchanged. It looked exactly like that which had been found in the graves of the kings. Therefore, it seemed that for centuries the Sumerian civilisation had undergone no radical change. They must, according to the conclusion, have reached a high level of development astonishingly early.

When after several days some of Woolley’s workmen called out to him, “We are on ground level”, he let himself down onto the floor of the shaft to satisfy himself. Woolley’s first thought was “This is it at last”. It was sand, pure sand of a kind that could only have been deposited by water.

They decided to dig on and make the shaft deeper. Deeper and deeper went the spades into the ground: three feet, six feet - still pure mud. Suddenly, at ten feet, the layer of mud stopped as abruptly as it had started. Under this clay deposit of almost ten feet thick, they had struck fresh evidence of human habitation. The appearance and quality of the pottery had noticeably altered. Here, they were handmade. Metal remains were nowhere to be found. The primitive implement that did emerge was made of hewn flint. It must belong to the Stone Age!

The Flood - that was the only possible explanation of this great clay deposit beneath the hill at Ur, which quite clearly separated two epochs of settlement. The sea had left its unmistakable traces in the shape of remains of little marine organisms embedded in the mud. ( Werner Keller, Und die Bibel hat doch recht (The Bible as History; a Confirmation of the Book of Books), New York: William Morrow, 1964, pp. 25-29 )

Microscopic analysis revealed that this great clay deposit beneath the hill at Ur had accumulated here as a result of a flood so big as to annihilate ancient Sumerian civilisation. The epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Nuh were united in this shaft dug deep under the Mesopotamian desert.



The excavations made by Sir Leonard Woolley in the Mesopotamian plains disclosed the presence of a mud-clay layer 2,5 m. deep in the earth. This mud-clay layer was most probably formed by the clay masses carried by the flood waters and, in the whole world, it only exists under the Mesopotamian plains. This discovery became an important piece of evidence proving that the Flood had only occurred on the Mesopotamian plains.
Max Mallowan related the thoughts of Leonard Woolley, who said that such a huge mass of alluvium formed in a single time slice could only be the result of a huge flood disaster. Woolley also described the flood layer that separated the Sumerian city of Ur from the city of Al-Ubaid whose inhabitants used painted pottery, as the remains of the Flood. (Max Mallowan, Nuh’s Flood Reconsidered, Iraq:XXVI-2, 1964, p. 70)


These show that the city of Ur was one of the places affected by the Flood. Werner Keller expressed the importance of the aforementioned excavation by saying that the yield of city-remains beneath a muddy layer in the archaeological excavations made in Mesopotamia prove that there was a flood here.
Werner Keller, Und die Bibel hat doch recht (The Bible as History; a Confirmation of the Book of Books), New York: William Morrow, 1964, pp. 23-32 )

Another Mesopotamian city carrying traces of the Flood is “Kish of the Sumerians” which is now known as Tall Al-Uhaimer. According to ancient Sumerian sources, this city was the “seat of the first postdiluvian dynasty”“( Kish”, Britannica Micropaedia, Volume 6, p. 893)

The city of Shuruppak in South Mesopotamia, which is today named as Tall Fa’rah, likewise carries apparent traces of the Flood. Archaeological studies in this city were headed by Erich Schmidt from the University of Pennsylvania between 1920-1930. These excavations uncovered three layers of habitation extending in time from the late prehistoric period to the 3rd dynasty of Ur (c. 2112-2004 B.C.). The most distinctive finds were ruins of well-built houses along with cuneiform tablets of administrative records and lists of words, indicating a highly developed society already in being toward the end of the 4th Millennium B.C.( “Shuruppak”, Britannica Micropaedia, Volume 10, p. 77)

The main point is that a big flood disaster was understood to have occurred in this city around 2900-3000 B.C.. According to Mallowan’s account, 4-5 metres below the earth, Schmidt had reached a yellow soil layer (formed by flood) made up of a mixture of clay and sand. This layer was closer to the plain level than the tumulus profile and it could be observed all around the tumulus… Schmidt defined this layer made up of a mixture of clay and sand, which remained from the time of Ancient Kingdom of Cemdet Nasr, as “a sand with its origins in the river” and associated it with Nuh’s Flood.(- Max Mallowan, Early Dynastic Period in Mesapotamia, Cambridge Ancient History 1-2, Cambridge: 1971, p. 238 )

In the excavations made in the city of Shuruppak, the remains of a flood were found that corresponded approximately to the years 2900-3000 B.C.. Probably, the city of Shuruppak was probably as much effected by the flood as the other cities.(- Joseph Campbell, Eastern Mythology, p. 129 )


The latest place which is shown to have been affected by the Flood is the city of Erech to the south of Shuruppak which is known as Tall Al-Warka today. In this city just as in others, a flood layer is found. This flood layer is dated between 2.900-3.000 B.C. just like the others.(- Bilim ve Utopya (Science and Utopia), July 1996, 176. Footnote p. 19)

As is well known, the Tigris and Euphrates rivers cut across Mesopotamia from one end to the other. It seems that, during the event, these two rivers and many other water resources, big and small, overflowed and, by uniting with rain water, caused a big deluge. The event is described in the Qur’an;

So We opened the gates of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We caused the earth to gush forth with springs, so the waters met (and rose) to the extent decreed. (Surat al-Qamar: 11-12)

When the factors causing the Flood are examined one by one, it is seen that they are all very natural phenomena. What makes the event miraculous is their taking place at the same time and Nuh’s warning his people about such a disaster beforehand.
Assessment of the evidence obtained from the completed studies revealed that the Flood area stretches approximately 160 km. (in width) from east to west, and 600 km. (in length) from north to south. This shows that the Flood covered all the Mesopotamian plains. When we examine the order of the cities Ur, Erech, Shuruppak and Kish which bear the traces of the Flood, we see that these are lined along a route. Therefore, the Flood must have affected these four cities and their surroundings. Besides it should be noted that around 3000 B.C., the geographical structure of the Mesopotamian plain was different from what it is now. At those times, the bed of the Euphrates river was more to the east than it is today; this stream-line was matched with a line passing through Ur, Erech, Shuruppak and Kish. With the opening of the “springs of the earth and heaven”, it seems that the river Euphrates overflowed and spread thus destroying the four cities cited above.


I will give more info later. But I just wanted you to know that Quranic defination of flood is not the same as Bible. Here are some verses refering to it as well,

The Physical Nature of the Flood

So We opened the gates of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We caused the earth to gush forth with springs, so the waters met (and rose) to the extent decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of broad planks and caulked with palm-fibre: (Surat al-Qamar: 11-13)

At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: “Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone forth - and the Believers.” but only a few believed with him.

So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Nuh called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): “O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!” (Surah Hud: 40-42)

So We inspired him (with this message): “Construct the Ark within Our sight and under Our guidance: then when comes Our Command, and the fountains of the earth gush forth, take thou on board pairs of every species, male and female, and thy family- except those of them against whom the Word has already gone forth: And address Me not in favour of the wrong-doers; for they shall be drowned (in the Flood).” (Surat al-Mumenoon: 27)


The Resting of the Ark on a High Place

Then the word went forth: “O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!” and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: “Away with those who do wrong!” (Surah Hud: 44)


The Instructional Aspect of the Flood Incident
We, when the water (of Nuh's Flood) overflowed beyond its limits, carried you (mankind), in the floating (Ark), That We might make it a Message unto you, and that ears (that should hear the tale and) retain its memory should bear its (lessons) in remembrance. (Surat al-Haaqqa: 11-12)
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Old 03-07-02, 12:56 PM
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The previous comment brought to you, in part,
by Perished Nations, authored by Harun Yahya.

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Old 03-07-02, 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by goofyfish
The previous comment brought to you, in part,
by Perished Nations, authored by Harun Yahya.

Peace.
Yes I can't access full text. Can you provide the real link? like full link?
LIGHTBEING
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Old 03-07-02, 12:59 PM
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Markx,

I never said that the flood didn't happen I just have a different opinion then most religious people on what caused this Catastrophy.

And the quotes that you listed below sound very similar to the Bible: Flood, Ark, every species, male and female. Blah Blah Blah.

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Markx
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Old 03-07-02, 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by LIGHTBEING
Markx,

I never said that the flood didn't happen I just have a different opinion then most religious people on what caused this Catastrophy.

And the quotes that you listed below sound very similar to the Bible: Flood, Ark, every species, male and female. Blah Blah Blah.

Peace
Were all the animals taken on board?

The interpreters of the Bible believe that Nuh took all animal species on earth on board the Ark and that animals were saved from extinction thanks to Nuh. According to this belief, a pair of every animals species on earth were brought together and put on board.

Those who defend this assertion doubtless have to face serious difficulties in many respects. The question of how the animal species taken aboard were fed, how they were housed on the Ark, how their excrement was cleaned or how they were isolated from each other are impossible to answer. Moreover, the question remains: how were animals from different continents brought together - mammals in the poles, kangaroos in Australia or the bison peculiar to America? Moreover, there follow more questions as to how very dangerous animals - venomous ones like snakes, scorpions and wild animals - were caught and how they could be sustained away from their natural habitats until the flood abated.

These are the questions which the Old Testament faces. In the Qur’an, there is no statement implying that all the animal species on earth were taken on board. As we have noted before, the Flood took place in a certain region. Therefore, the animals taken on board could only have been those living in the region where Nuh’s people resided.

However, it is evident that it is impossible even to collect all the animal species living in that region. It is difficult to think of Nuh and a few number of believers beside him (Surah Hud: 40) going in all directions and setting out to collect two each of hundreds of animal species in their surroundings. It is even more highly improbable for them to have collected specimens of the insect species living in their region, and, moreover, to discriminate the males from the female! This is the reason why it is more probable that the animals collected were those that could easily be caught and sustained, and were, therefore, domestic animals especially useful to man. The prophet Nuh was most likely to have taken on board such animals as cows, sheep, horses, poultry camels and the like, because these were the primary animals that would have been needed for establishing a new life in a region which would have lost a great deal of its livestock because of the Flood.

Here the important point is that the divine wisdom in Allah’s command to Nuh to collect the animals lies in its being directed to the collecting of the animals required for the new life to be established after the flood rather than to protecting the genus of animals. Since the flood was regional, the extinction of animal species cannot have been a possibility. It is most likely that after the flood, animals from other regions would have migrated to that area in the course of time, and re-populated the region with its old liveliness. What was important was the life to be established in the region right after the flood, and the animals gathered would have been collected basically for this purpose.



Nope not all the animals were aboard. Goofyfish if you have access to full book please send me the link. Thanks.
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Old 03-07-02, 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Markx
Yes I can't access full text. Can you provide the real link? like full link?
The entire book is on-line and available in a PDF download here.
It is interesting reading, though I have never verified any of the footnotes.

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Old 03-07-02, 01:10 PM
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The evidence seems to be that two major rivers, the Tigris and the Euphrates broke their banks and caused the surrounding plains to flood. A well understood natural phenomenon.

Was it the whole world? Well no, not as we understand the whole world. But back in those times most of the world remained unknown, and what was known was not very much. And from the perspective of mythmakers a major catastrophic flood of the Tigris/Euphrates area could easily be exaggerated into the whole world.

As for Noah: How about a local village leader who managed to salvage a boat and, grabbed his family and all his personal livestock, and managed to survive. Sounds like the makings of a wonderful legend.

Just some realism to offset the exaggerations of the biblical myth-makers.

Cris
Markx
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Old 03-07-02, 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by goofyfish
The entire book is on-line and available in a PDF download here.
It is interesting reading, though I have never verified any of the footnotes.

Peace.
I did verify 2 foot notes and they were real. I don't about the rest.
LIGHTBEING
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Old 03-07-02, 02:13 PM
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In the Qur’an, there is no statement implying that all the animal species on earth were taken on board.
Doesn't your original quotes imply this?????

then when comes Our Command, and the fountains of the earth gush forth, take thou on board pairs of every species, male and female, and thy family
A pair of every species implies every animal.

I don't even understand what you are trying to debate here. That the Quran is right and the Bible is wrong?
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Old 03-07-02, 03:14 PM
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So We inspired him (with this message): “Construct the Ark within Our sight and under Our guidance: then when comes Our Command, and the fountains of the earth gush forth, take thou on board pairs of every species, male and female, and thy family- except those of them against whom the Word has already gone forth: And address Me not in favour of the wrong-doers; for they shall be drowned (in the Flood).” (Surat al-Mumenoon: 27)

Now show me where it says every species on earth? Or in the world?. No it doesn't say that. Well then read the 4th paragraph till 6th paragraph in my previous post about all animals.
Your question regarding bible is right and Quran is wrong or vice versa. No I am not debating that. All I am saing that great flood did occur. Now If I compare those two books I can see the clear difference that one is more acurate then other. Now you can call it that one is correct and one is wrong. But that's not what I am debating here.
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Old 03-07-02, 03:20 PM
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Why are you acting as if I said the Flood didn't happen. I never said that. Infact I believe the Flood did happen. I just think that it happen in more of a Natural rather then a Supernatural way.
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Old 03-07-02, 03:24 PM
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Some more info fron Hyahya:

Accounts of the Flood in Other Cultures

Sumerians: A god called Enlil tells people that other gods intend to destroy humanity, but that he himself is willing to save them. The hero of the story is Ziusudra, the devotee king of the city of Sippur. God Enlil tells Ziusudra what to do to be saved from the Flood. The text relating the making of the boat is missing, but the fact that such a part once existed is revealed in the parts in which it is told how Ziusudra is saved. Relying on the Babylonian version of the flood, one reaches the conclusion that in the complete Sumerian version of the event there must have been much more comprehensive details of the reason for the Flood and how the boat was made.

Babylonians: Ut-Napishtim is the Babylonian counterpart of the Sumerian hero of the Flood, Ziusudra. Another important character is Gilgamesh. According to the legend, Gilgamesh decided to seek and find his ancestry to obtain the secret of immortality. He was warned against the dangers and difficulties of such a journey. He was told that he is supposed to make a journey in which he should pass over the “Mashu Mountains and waters of death”; and that such a journey had only been accomplished by the sun-god Shamash up until then. Still, Gilgamesh braved all the dangers of the journey and finally succeeded in reaching Ut-Napishtim.

The text is cut off at the point where the meeting of Gilgamesh and Ut-Napishtim is told; and when it next becomes legible, Ut-Napishtim said to Gilgamesh that “the gods reserved the secret of death and life to themselves” (that they did not give it to people). Upon this, Gilgamesh asked Ut-Napishtim how he had acquired immortality; and Ut-Napishtim told him the story of the flood as a reply to his question. The flood is also told in the famous “twelve tables” of the Gilgamesh epic.

Ut-Napishtim started by saying that the story he was about to tell Gilgamesh was “something secret, a secret of the gods”. He said that he was from the city of Shuruppak, the oldest among the cities of the Akkad land. According to his account, the god “Ea” had called out to him through the walls of a cane hut and declared that the gods had decided to destroy all the seeds of life with a flood; but the reason of their decision was not explained in the Babylonian Flood account just as it had not been in the Sumerian Flood story. Ut-Napishtim said that Ea had told him to make a ship in which he should bring together and put the “seeds of all living things”. He informed him of the size and shape of the ship; according to it, the width, length, and height of the ship were equal to each other. The storm turned everything upside down for six days and nights. On the seventh day it calmed down. Ut-Napishtim saw that on the outside, it had “turned into sticky mud”. The ship came to rest on Mt. Nisir.

According to Sumerian and Babylonian records, Xisuthros or Khasisatra is saved from the Flood by a ship of 925 metres in length, along with his family, friends, and some birds and animals. It is said that “the waters outspread towards the heavens, the oceans covered the shores, and rivers overflowed from their beds”. The ship then came to rest on the Corydaean mountain.

According to the Assyrian-Babylonian records, Ubar-Tutu or Khasisatra was saved along with his family, servants, flocks and wild animals on a ship which is 600 cubits long, 60 cubits high and wide. The Flood lasted for 6 days and 6 nights. When the ship reached the Nizar Mountain, the dove that was set free came back but the raven did not.

According to some Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian records, Ut-Napishtim with his family survived through the Flood which lasted for 6 days and 6 nights. It is said: “On the seventh day Ut-Napishtim looked outside. It was all very quite. Man had once more turned to mud.”. When the ship came to rest on the Nizar mountain, Ut-Napishtim sent out one pigeon, one raven and one sparrow. The raven stayed to eat the corpses, but the other two birds did not return.

India: In the Shatapatha Brahmana and Mahabharata epics of India, the person called Manu is saved from the flood along with Rishiz. According to the legend, a fish which Manu caught and whose life he spared, suddenly grew and told him to make a ship and tie it to its horns. This fish was accepted to be a manifestation of the god Vishnu. The fish drove the ship over huge waves, and brought it to the north, the Hismavat mountain.

Wales: According to Welsh legend (from Wales, a Celtic region of Britain), Dwynwen and Dwyfach escaped from the great disaster on ship. When the dreadful deluge that occurred from the bursting of Llynllion, which was called the Lake of Waves, subsided, Dwywen and Dwyfach started to repopulate Britain afresh.

Scandinavia: Nordic Edda legends report that Bergalmir and his wife escaped from the flood in a big boat.

Lithuania: In Lithuanian legend, it is told that a few pairs of men and animals were saved by taking shelter in a crust up on the top of a lofty mountain. When the winds and floods that lasted for twelve days and twelve nights reached to the high mountain so much as almost to swallow those on it, the Creator threw a giant nut shell to them. Those on the mountain were saved from disaster by sailing in this nut shell.

China: Chinese sources relate that a person called Yao with seven other persons or Fa Li with his wife and children, were saved from the deluge and earthquakes on a sailing boat. It is said that “the earth was all in ruins. The waters burst forth and covered everywhere”. Finally, the waters receded.

Nuh's Flood in Greek Mythology: The god Zeus decided to destroy people, who have become more wrongdoing every day, with a flood. Only Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha were saved from the flood, because Deucalion's father Prometheus had formerly advised his son to make a boat. The couple set foot on Mount Parnassos on the 9th day after embarking on the boat.

All these legends indicate a concrete historical reality. In history, each community received the message, everybody received Divine revelation, and thus many communities learned about the Flood. Unfortunately, as people turned away from the essence of the Divine revelation, the account of the Flood underwent many changes, and turned into legends and myths.

Thanks GoofyFish. Great link.
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Old 03-07-02, 03:31 PM
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Genesis 6:17

17 For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you; and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you. 19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.


The Bible doesn't say every species on Earth either. Seems like the same story to me.

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Old 03-07-02, 04:50 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by LIGHTBEING

I think this makes some changes " 19 And of every living thing of all flesh". Not sure how the interpretation was done. Then if you look at this one,

And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD
(Genesis, 6:5-8)

It also talks about the whole earth.

We sent Nuh to his people (with a mission): “I have come to you with a Clear Warning: That ye serve none but Allah: Verily I do fear for you the penalty of a grievous day.” (Surah Hud: 25-26)

According to Quran it was more for only the people of Noah and I think cris's defination is very close, when he mentiont that Noah could be a leader of village.
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Old 03-07-02, 05:05 PM
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I see what you are saying.

I'm not trying to back up the Bible or anything but the stories do seem very similar.
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Old 03-07-02, 05:14 PM
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Didn' t you know?
Mahmud took a lot of things from bible,
even parts of bible itself.
/at least tht I learned in my history classes/
 

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