Sieg Heil!

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  1. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    I've just read that it is illegal to say the phrase 'Sieg Heil' in Austria and Germany.

    What the hell is so offensive about the phrase Sieg Heil? It merely translates to 'Hail to Victory'. It's not hateful, it's not offensive. It's something a sports team could chant.

    The only real argument for banning it is 'OMG TEH NAZISS UZED IT!'. Hence it is seen as offensive to the victims of the Holocaust.

    What a joke!

    Hitler did not invent the phrase 'Sieg Heil'. It was around a long time before him. In fact, the Germans were chanting 'Sieg Heil' when Germany declared war on Russia in WWI. To ban the phrase 'Sieg Heil' is equivalent to banning the Koran, merely because Muslim extremists chant phrases out of it. And since Muslims who chanted phrases out of the Koran were responsible for 9/11, then obviously anyone else daring to say them is being offensive to the victims, and must be banned.

    This is just another example of what a bunch of pussies the Germans have become.
     
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  3. Huwy Secular Humanist Registered Senior Member

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    Of course, its wrong to say anything anti-semitic, but its ok for some Jews to continue preaching that it is "not a sin to cheat a goyim" (non jew)
     
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  5. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Of course it isn't ok to condone cheating gentiles. Don't be silly.

    On a similar note to the main topic - there are some organisations trying to revive the use of the swastika as the religious/spiritual symbol it used to be before the Nazis adopted it. There is even an old Jewish synagogue with swastikas on its floor.
     
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  7. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Symbolic connotation.
    It is inescapably tied to the National Socialist Party and its leader, and thereby to the many acts, illegal, immoral and unethical, carried out under its name and at his instigation.
    In that regard, with respect to soldiers who died fighting the Nazis, the civlians who perished under their attacks, the citizens of neighbouring countries who were disenfranchised, invaded and butchered, the Germans who perished resisting their growth, the millions who died in concentration camps, then it is hateful and it is offensive.
    Or an excellent example of their sensitivity and compassion.
     
  8. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    Though the phrase is far older than the nazis, the National Socialists are most connected with it, and thus, though its wording may not mean much, the sentiment expressed by saying it says alot about you.
    Your defense of the Nazis and thier common slogans, coupled with your intense hatred of Islam, leads me to think that you are a nao-nazi-sympathizer. If you aren't, you're certainly acting like it.
     
  9. J.B Banned Banned

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    It is illegal to say "nigger" in the U.S.
     
  10. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    In movies and in hip-hop music, blacks are always saying 'nigger' to one another, so how can it be illegal?
     
  11. J.B Banned Banned

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    Blacks can say nigger with no problems.

    If a person who's color of skin is white were to call a black person a nigger, it would be illegal.

    Charge would be:
    Hate crime, or trying to incite a riot.

    Case and point:
    http://www.vdare.com/fulford/rae_report.htm
     
  12. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    It's not illegal.
    It's highly frowned upon and if you say it, you will get your ass whupped, unless you're black.
     
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's also offensive to anyone that was involved with WWII, which was like, the whole world. I'm sure hardcore nazis do say "Sieg Heil" in private meetings while pleasuring themselves 4 at a time with swastica-shaped rubber implements, but such public activites would be bad for tourism.
     
  14. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    those who oppose national socialism are ignorant fools. just because one nazi leader used the ideology to carry out his other plans(elimination of pretty much everyone), it does not make nazi-ism synonymous with anti-semitism or racism. national socialism can be just as good as any other political ideology when used in a democratic government with evenly distributed power.

    our true enemy should be the republics and dictatorships, which provide a single person with almost unrestricted power - the perfect catalyst to corruption.
     
  15. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Just as Seig Heil, as a phrase, is neutral, yet because of its history it metamorphoses into a provocative totem, so too national socialism and nazis carry more baggage than can ever be supported by any mainstream political movement.
    Precisely because of the dictatorial corruption of the ideology by Hitler it does make nazism synonymous with anit-semitism and racism. There was little democratic about Hitler's regime, and the only way in which power evenly ditributed within it was when equal force was applied by the secondary players.

    An ignorant fool
     
  16. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    its not just germany and austria. its most of western europe where such behavior is illegal.

    you know...i never understood why americans could be "neo-nazis"...the nazi goal was a solely european affair, to secure the fatherland.
    AND, hitler lost. AND, it has been proven that different races have very very little difference between them, other than cosmetically.

    *shrug*
     
  17. ursula Registered Member

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    i wouldnt consider the germans pussies, but i think they are sincerely sorry for the WWII trespasses. they still have their own road to hoe as seen by their response to the invasion of iraq.
    ursula
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    vslayer,
    National Socialism in Germany was actually a fascist dictatorship. I don't see anything admirable about that.
     
  19. ursula Registered Member

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    on ebay in germany it is illegal to sell nazi paraphernalia , stamps are excepted i think. i dont know if austria is the same.
    ursula
     
  20. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    spidergoat;

    that is what the leadership evolved to: the majority of nazis set out with the goal of bringing a new era of prosperity to their people through nazi ideals, they never set out to give hitler totalitarian power or anything even close.

    the republican party started out similarly, yet just because it has gone the same way as hitlers germany, it doesn't mean that republican government cannot be effective(given new leadership and an adherance to the constitution). a lot of people dont even know what republicans stand for, they just label the evil because of their corrupt leadership. that is exactly what you seem to be doing with the nazis.

    in this modern world, national socialism should be accepted as a valid political ideology, and it supporters should not be labelled as hate mongering jew killers or hitler worshippers.
     
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The term national socialism is generally accepted to mean Nazism. What does it mean to you?
     
  22. vslayer Registered Senior Member

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    it means exactly that. but it doesnt mean totalitarianism, dictatorship, or hitler.
     
  23. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    It is?? By whom? I've never, ever heard anyone say or imply that ...okay, except perhaps some neo-nazi groups or someone who hates them. But...?

    Baron Max
     
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