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Andre
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12-30-04, 03:31 AM
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Well if there are such vast changes on a decadal scale in the sulphur acid clouds one would expect to see those changes reflected in albedo chances but I'm unaware that somebody reported that.
About Volcanism, considering that the sulphur output of Krakatau, St Helens, Pinatubo is many of orders of magnitude less than any change on Venus, I would expect that any out-pouring event on that global scale would have shown on the Magallan images, like a fresh, unscarred area.
Mantle plumes? If the coronae represent mantle plumes, which is not an unreasonable hypothesis, then Venus has (had) plenty of them. The question is if they are still active. IMHO the main reason to assume that Venus is "dead" is the decline of temperature gradient of the lithosphere with time:
http://adsbit.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/np...&filetype=.pdf
I would say that the lack of spin and the total absence of a magnetic field contribute to the idea that Venus is dead. My personal "maverick/crackpot" hypothesis predicts that the "resurfacing" was a single event, that vulcanism is (about) extinct and that it will never re-energize (contrary to the periodically resurfacing idea).
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12-30-04, 03:38 AM
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Oh, interesting you brought up the magnetosphere (lack there of) as I have a different hypothesis.
First, I don't think Venus is a geologically dead world, I think it is still extremely active and that we don't see the same occurrence of activity due to it being in a completely different condition of that of the Earth, but internally, I think it's still very hot.
After all, the Surface temperature and pressure is already that of about a mile down in the Earth...so it's not losing a lot of heat?
Anyway, more interestingly is the magnetosphere...
I think, since the world is NOT turning very much, that there is no "dynamo" (this hypothesis assumes that the dynamo theory is indeed what is occurring).
The Earth rotates about 1,000 miles per hour in the outter-circumference, along the equator, I'm not sure what it is by the inner core and outter core, but it'd be less somewhat...anyway, our turning, would create a dynamo right?
Two different densities and even phase-states, would suggest that one rotational speed will be different from the other? So the outter-core could be spinning around the inner-core, creating the dynamo.
Who is to say without a planet's rotation, that same outter-core spin around the inner-core would occurr? (just a piss poor suggestion at this time, but food for thought).
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Andre
Registered Senior User (775 posts)
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12-30-04, 03:53 AM
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If Venus was internally still very hot then the demonstrated dramatic change in thermal gradient was not possible. Considering that the "greenhouse" effect heated the lithosphere from the outside and the internal heat should have prevented the lithosphere to cool of from the inside. But yet the Lithosphere has cooled hundreds of degrees within a few hundred million years. This would suggest that Venus as a whole has cooled considerable, and this would only have been possible if Venus had been melted in the past, then convection currents could have cooled Venus so quickly.
For magnetism, the geodynamo seems to be a useful hypothesis.
http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~glatz/geodynamo.html
moreover, if only the spinning of the planet was to generate the magnetic field, how would you explain the magnetic pole flips? But the geodynamo is based on convective heat exchange in the outer core. Since Venus has no magnetic field this suggests that there is no heat exchange in the cores, meaning that the cores have cooled.
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Andre
Registered Senior User (775 posts)
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12-30-04, 04:25 AM
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So what is the current internal temperature in the lithosphere compared to the Earths?
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Read the link: http://adsbit.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/np...&filetype=.pdf
and then your guess is as good as mine. Note that for a scientific paper there are an unusual number of superlatives: "extraordinary low temperature gradient", "unusually high heat flux", etc.
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what is keeping the Earth so toasty
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If my pet ideas are right, that would be mainly friction heat due to mantle outer core friction and outer core - inner core - friction both caused by precession forces.
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01-01-05, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Andre About Volcanism, considering that the sulphur output of Krakatau, St Helens, Pinatubo is many of orders of magnitude less than any change on Venus, I would expect that any out-pouring event on that global scale would have shown on the Magallan images, like a fresh, unscarred area..
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Perhaps, if there are no major magma eruptions taking place on Venus contemporarily (again, we can't be sure), it might be that the sulphur cycle is distinct from what we would normally call volcanism...
Certainly, the vast quantities of atmospheric sulphur would have been outgassed from volcanos originally, but what if there is a surface process which recycles precipitated sulphur? Something like the geysers or aquifers on Earth: sulphur compounds might accumulate on the ground and seep down into cracks in the rocks, where a local buildup of heat would presently re-vapourise them and lead to a sudden small-scale outgassing; or a constant gradual seepage of vapour at lower altitudes, where the ground level drops below the "sulphur table"?
Events like these would be far too small to show up on satellite mapping, but could operate over most of the planet's surface and collectively suffice to keep the atmosphere acidic.
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