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07-14-04, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Enigma'07
Isn't y technically considered a vowel if aeoiu aren't present in a word?
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I believe that, phonetically, "y" might represent a vowel sound. But in spelling, I would think it is always a consonant.
 Peace.
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07-14-04, 09:53 AM
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Y, the twenty-fifth letter of the English alphabet, at the beginning of a word or syllable, except when a prefix (see Y-), is usually a fricative vocal consonant; as a prefix, and usually in the middle or at the end of a syllable, it is a vowel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=y
I don't think, ideally, a word like "rhythm" counts, Goofy.
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However, the rules of 'Scrabble' seem to agree with you.
Last edited by Rappaccini; 07-14-04 at 10:01 AM..
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gendanken
Ruler of All the Lands (4,560 posts)
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07-14-04, 08:17 PM
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"Shhhhh"
as in shut the fuck up
Mr. and Mrs.
Titles for the gentlaman and his lady.
MTV
Its become so popular it no longer is an acronym. Its a word.
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water
the sea (6,443 posts)
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07-15-04, 06:54 AM
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Arthur Rimbaud
(1854—1891)
Vowels
A black, E white, I red, U green, O blue: vowels,
I shall tell, one day, of your mysterious origins:
A, black velvety jacket of brilliant flies
which buzz around cruel smells,
Gulfs of shadow; E, whiteness of vapours and of tents,
lances of proud glaciers, white kings, shivers of cow-parsley;
I, purples, spat blood, smile of beautiful lips
in anger or in the raptures of penitence;
U, waves, divine shudderings of viridian seas,
the peace of pastures dotted with animals, the peace of the furrows
which alchemy prints on broad studious foreheads;
O, sublime Trumpet full of strange piercing sounds,
silences crossed by [Worlds and by Angels]:
–O the Omega! the violet ray of [His] Eyes!
. . .
Voyelles
A noir, E blanc, I rouge, U vert, O bleu: voyelles,
Je dirai quelque jour vos naissances latentes:
A, noir corset velu des mouches éclatantes
Qui bombinent autour des puanteurs cruelles,
Golfes d'ombre; E, candeurs des vapeurs et des tentes,
Lances des glaciers fiers, rois blancs, frissons d'ombelles;
I, pourpres, sang craché, rire des lèvres belles
Dans la colère ou les ivresses pénitentes;
U, cycles, vibrements divins des mers virides,
Paix des pâtis semés d'animaux, paix des rides
Que l'alchimie imprime aux grands fronts studieux;
O, suprême Clairon plein des strideurs étranges,
Silences traversés des [Mondes et des Anges]:
—O l'Oméga, rayon violet de [Ses] Yeux!
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07-15-04, 07:54 AM
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Mr. and Mrs. are abbreviations
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Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. The real words have vowels.
If Shhh is a word then also brrrr.
As to the welsh words, why don't you post a few Hamster? And, I imagine that many of them contain w's? Wasn't w originally a vowel? A double u? Gwenivere. Guuenivere.
And as to y, it's not requisite on another vowel being in the word. It depends on where in the word it is placed. It's relationships with the consonants that surround it.
Did you know that consonants are handled almost exclusively by the left half of the brain? That the transition of sounds inherent in consonants occur in 50 msec or less and only the left brain has the ability to handle such a short time span?
Vowels are more synonomous with nature sounds. Slowly changing or steady frequencies that take up 350 msec or more. Even nature sounds such as the snapping of a twig take this longer amount of time. Vowels, along with nature sounds, are handled by the right half of the brain.
So, consonants are subjected to categorical analysis in the left half, while vowels are subject to continous analysis in the right.
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vslayer
Registered Senior User (4,972 posts)
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07-15-04, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by whitewolf
W can also be considered as double-v. If you notice, in this font, it is precisely a double-v. I think (someone please correct me) that back in the day, there was a "u" sound but it was represented by a "v". This goes back to origins of alphabet, back to Rome.
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a lot of people make it look like a uu but i guess thy unrounded it to vv for printing maybe
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water
the sea (6,443 posts)
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07-15-04, 02:45 PM
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Words without vowels:
1. We must distinguish between the WRITTEN form and the SPOKEN form of a word.
Take brrrr or shhh -- these are *written* forms.
They are *spoken* in roundabout thus: [b6rrr]. [s6], whereby with the 6 I wrote the *schwa*, the so called "semi-vowel". The words brrr and shhh HAVE vowels when spoken.
2. We usually think of sounds (!!) like this:
vowels: a, e, i, o, u and occasionally y
consonants: b, c, d, f, g, h, j, k, l, m, n, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, z.
But these are LETTERS, NOT SOUNDS.
When talking about sounds, we are talking about PHONEMES. English has 39 phonemes. 24 are consonants, 15 are vowels. Take a dictionary (a book, not an online version) and see the things written in [ ] or / / brackets.
(I can't write them here, as you can imagine.)
Writing is one thing, speaking something else.
3. All spoken syllables have vowels or other sounds with vowel value.
Sometimes, a group of sounds called SONORANTS can take up to be the core of a syllable, as they have *vowel value*, even though they aren't pure vowels -- these are the sounds that are usually represented by the letters m, n, r, l, v/w, (j/y).
Take the word "profusion": its syllables are pro-fu-sion. The word is pronounced /pr6-'fju:-žn/.
In the first syllable, the syllable carrying sound is the 6, the schwa.
In the second, it is a long u:.
In the third, it is the sonorant n; phonetically, the syllable is actually [ž6n].
Hear?
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