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Jagger
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Old 01-14-04, 08:02 PM
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Here is an interesting article by Admiral Thomas Moorer in the Houston Chronicle on the Liberty incident. Makes me wonder why it has taken so long for these types of facts to come to the public.

The sailors of the USS Liberty deserve an honest investigation to bring the truth forward.

From here: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.ht...utlook/2345393

Betrayal behind Israeli attack on U.S. ship
By ADM. THOMAS MOORER

After State Department officials and historians assembled in Washington, D.C., last week to discuss the 1967 war in the Middle East, I am compelled to speak out about one of U.S. history's most shocking cover-ups.

On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship -- the USS Liberty -- killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172. Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own government.

U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled, not once, but twice, through direct intervention by the Johnson administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara's cancellation of the Navy's attempt to rescue the Liberty, which I personally confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my entire military career.

To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to hold formal hearings on Israel's attack on this American ship. No official investigation of Israel's attack has ever permitted the testimony of the surviving crew members.

A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit, recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House to cover up the incident and find that Israel's attack was "a case of mistaken identity."

Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors, we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They include:

· Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly marked American ship in international waters, flying an American flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on its bow.

Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.

· Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty's radio operators from sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio channels.

· Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range that had been lowered to rescue the most seriously wounded.

As a result, our commission concluded that:

· There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.

· In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United States

· The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack from the American people.

· The truth continues to be concealed to the present day in what can only be termed a national disgrace.

What was Israel's motive in launching this attack? Congress must address this question with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services.

The men of the USS Liberty represented the United States. They were attacked for two hours, causing 70 percent of American casualties, and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship.

These sailors and Marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense.

Did our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own? If so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government.

The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack. We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is asked to wear the uniform of the United States.



Moorer was chairman of the joint chiefs of staff from 1970 to 1974. He is joined in the independent commission of inquiry by Gen. Ray Davis (recently deceased); Rear Adm. Merlin Staring; former Judge Advocate General of the Navy and Ambassador James Akins.
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Old 01-14-04, 08:12 PM
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Just a fair warning: Get ready for pothead to throw out all of the nebulous reasons why Israel would never try to cover this up.
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Old 01-14-04, 08:20 PM
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An IDF unit was engaged in the process of executing Egyptian prisoners of war when the Liberty unfortunately came into view on the Mediterranean horizon. The USS Liberty was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and American leadership ultimately agreed. Case closed.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:01 PM
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Hypewagers
I disagree the case can not be closed until there is an accounting of why the US government prohibited rescue efforts.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:04 PM
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Too confusing to the American public, and too embarrassing to Israel.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:11 PM
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The American public is wiser tha you think. Israel will survive.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:14 PM
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I am not opposed to the survival of Israel. I am opposed to the survival of oppression, disposession, and other ethnic/historic/religiously-justified crime.
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I am not opposed to the survival of Israel. I am opposed to the survival of oppression, disposession, and other ethnic/historic/religiously-justified crime.

Inherant contradiction.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:23 PM
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Israel is just a name on a map. Inside those lines are people who can live together, without ever undoing the wrongs of the past, but moving forward in repudiation of greater injury and reprisal.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:25 PM
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The only way hype at least imho, is a one state solution, seperation has hardly ever worked. Not Israel, and no Palestine. One federation, living in peace, as equals. Otherwise there is no end to this cycle.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:29 PM
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I agree .
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Old 01-14-04, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Undecided
The only way hype at least imho, is a one state solution, seperation has hardly ever worked. Not Israel, and no Palestine. One federation, living in peace, as equals. Otherwise there is no end to this cycle.
whatever u don't know anything about great Israel. I respect them too much and i think watever they did was right and to all isarelis here, we are with you. whatever you think, israel did the right think.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:34 PM
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Interesting...some twenty years ago my brother attended a forum on the USS Liberty in which a survivor was present. This ex-American sailor spoke of floating in the debris of his ship while Israeli jets machine-gunned his shipmates in the water. BTW, my brother had to walk a gauntlet of the JDL screaming, "Lies!" on his way out of that forum.

It's twenty years later and I have no better understanding what really happened to the Liberty.

Michael
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Old 01-14-04, 09:37 PM
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An IDF unit was engaged in the process of executing Egyptian prisoners of war when the Liberty unfortunately came into view on the Mediterranean horizon. The USS Liberty was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and American leadership ultimately agreed.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:41 PM
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whatever u don't know anything about great Israel.

You mean ertez Israel? Sure I know. More reason to stop the cancer now...

I respect them too much and i think watever they did was right and to all isarelis here, we are with you. whatever you think, israel did the right think.

I always love to see neo-fascism alive and kicking.
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Old 01-14-04, 09:41 PM
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That is like saying the people in the twin towers were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Old 01-15-04, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by hypewaders
An IDF unit was engaged in the process of executing Egyptian prisoners of war when the Liberty unfortunately came into view on the Mediterranean horizon. The USS Liberty was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and American leadership ultimately agreed. Case closed.
Most accurate and concise summary you'll ever get.
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Old 01-15-04, 02:40 AM
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More reason to stop the cancer now...
tsk tsk tsk

An IDF unit was engaged in the process of executing Egyptian prisoners of war when the Liberty unfortunately came into view on the Mediterranean horizon.
no evidence has ever been presented. only accusations.

The USS Liberty was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and American leadership ultimately agreed. Case closed.
that's right. they were in a war zone when they should have been "hundreds of miles away", as a senior US fact-finding official said.
the fact-finding commitee also agreed it was recklessness.
but there have been at least 10 other official investigations of this, both by the israelis and the americans... and it always comes to the same conclusion.

This ex-American sailor spoke of floating in the debris of his ship while Israeli jets machine-gunned his shipmates in the water
that probably happened

my brother had to walk a gauntlet of the JDL screaming, "Lies!" on his way out of that forum
that depends on what else was said
whatever... JDL, they get a bad rap. anyone care to open a thread about them?
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Old 01-15-04, 09:56 AM
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An IDF unit was engaged in the process of executing Egyptian prisoners of war when the Liberty unfortunately came into view on the Mediterranean horizon. The USS Liberty was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and American leadership ultimately agreed. Case closed.
The case can't be closed that easily. Not that I'm defending Israel, because I think there are a lot of unanswered question still, but it was James Bamford who made the accusation about the IDF executions taking place on the Egyptian prisoners. His account of that incident, as well as other key points in his book, have drawn much skepticism. Much of his research was extremely weak and been seriously challenged. This case is still very much wide open.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/2001/07/071701.html
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Old 01-15-04, 11:22 AM
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This case is still very much wide open.
so is the case about existence of aliens, and the man with two penises
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