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FieryIce's Avatar FieryIce
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Old 01-04-04, 12:16 PM
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Transient lunar phenomena (TLP): lights, luminous clouds, and other changes reported on the Moon.

I’ll add intrigue to mystery. The is a report called, NASA Technical Report R-277, Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events, July 1968, written by Barbara M. Middlehurst, University of Arizona, Jaylee M. Burley, Goddard Space Flight Center, Patrick Moore, Armagb Planetarium and Barbara L. Weltber, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory http://www.mufor.org/tlp/lunar.html
The report charts what you describe as Transient lunar phenomena for the years 1540 to 1969. What I found interesting was in the years 1920-1929 there were only 4 reports compared to 1950-1959 the reports were so numerous it is broken into two separate web pages. I would be interested in seeing a report covering 1970-present for curiosity.

Next, there is the Clementine craft: http://www.mufor.org/clement.htm

In 1992, an official U.S. unmanned Defense Department (DOD) mission to the Moon was announced by the Pentagon's Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO). The first return to the Moon by the United States in 23 years, the mission was officially termed "the Deep Space Program Science Experiment" but has become better known by its public nickname "Clementine". Within a record two years of its origination, the completed BMDO Clementine spacecraft was dispatched to lunar orbit, commencing January 25, 1994.

I have been aware that NASA is run by the Department of Defense but why in this instance is there the involvement of Ballistic Missile Defense. Missiles would definitely show a cloud, haze, and light flash etc. on the moons surface if someone were interested in creating their own crater and possibly record radiation, heat readings in a different atmosphere than earth. Granted, this missile defense program is first dated in 1992 with commencement in 1994 while TLP’s have been recorded as far back as 1540.

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Old 01-04-04, 05:18 PM
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A geologically active moon is an interesting idea. The moon is certanly filled with mysteries. We had been monitoring moonquakes during the Apollo program, so clearly seizmic activity goes on.

I think this thread should be moved to Astronomy. It is making no claims reguarding ET or other extreme claims, and the original post discusses material which NASA itself is investigating, admittedly low-key.
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Old 01-05-04, 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by FieryIce
... but why in this instance is there the involvement of Ballistic Missile Defense.
As far as I recall, Clemetine was born from the ashes of a Star Wars program that was cancelled. So it was using recycled technology, and was basically an underhand way of using public money to keep a cancelled project current.

I'll try and dig up a source,
FieryIce's Avatar FieryIce
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Old 06-01-05, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by phlogistician
I'll try and dig up a source,
I guess phloger hasn't found anything yet, is he even around anymore?
SkinWalker's Avatar SkinWalker
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Old 06-01-05, 10:29 AM
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I suspect he is.
btimsah's Avatar btimsah
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Old 06-02-05, 04:19 PM
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I think I have an image of TLP.. Below is one of about 3 images which photograph this light moving across the surface.. Or, well either they are or the light is.. lol I made an animated .gif of the 3 tweened together and I'm uploading it now to my site. However, below is an example. I also have another image of smoke/dust rising up from the surface of the Moon that I posted on here before. I do think the Moon is geologically active.

http://img132.echo.cx/img132/9848/as...tlp21vy.th.jpg
btimsah's Avatar btimsah
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Old 06-02-05, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FieryIce
Transient lunar phenomena (TLP): lights, luminous clouds, and other changes reported on the Moon.

I’ll add intrigue to mystery. The is a report called, NASA Technical Report R-277, Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events, July 1968, written by Barbara M. Middlehurst, University of Arizona, Jaylee M. Burley, Goddard Space Flight Center, Patrick Moore, Armagb Planetarium and Barbara L. Weltber, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory http://www.mufor.org/tlp/lunar.html
The report charts what you describe as Transient lunar phenomena for the years 1540 to 1969. What I found interesting was in the years 1920-1929 there were only 4 reports compared to 1950-1959 the reports were so numerous it is broken into two separate web pages. I would be interested in seeing a report covering 1970-present for curiosity.

Next, there is the Clementine craft: http://www.mufor.org/clement.htm

In 1992, an official U.S. unmanned Defense Department (DOD) mission to the Moon was announced by the Pentagon's Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO). The first return to the Moon by the United States in 23 years, the mission was officially termed "the Deep Space Program Science Experiment" but has become better known by its public nickname "Clementine". Within a record two years of its origination, the completed BMDO Clementine spacecraft was dispatched to lunar orbit, commencing January 25, 1994.

I have been aware that NASA is run by the Department of Defense but why in this instance is there the involvement of Ballistic Missile Defense. Missiles would definitely show a cloud, haze, and light flash etc. on the moons surface if someone were interested in creating their own crater and possibly record radiation, heat readings in a different atmosphere than earth. Granted, this missile defense program is first dated in 1992 with commencement in 1994 while TLP’s have been recorded as far back as 1540.

Any other ideas?
It might be interesting to note that once the Clementine Spacecraft went behind the Moon it suddenly had "a malfunction". To be honest I never really believed that. It just seemed too planned.. I bet the Military was doing SOMETHING top secret, I just dont know what.
cato's Avatar cato
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Old 06-02-05, 05:01 PM
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maybe testing nukes. Curtis Lemay said the Russians would test nukes on the back of the moon if we signed a test-ban treaty. maybe that idea raised a couple of ideas in our government.
Boris2
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Old 06-02-05, 08:15 PM
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didn't the malfunction happen after it left lunar orbit?
btimsah's Avatar btimsah
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Old 06-03-05, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Boris2
didn't the malfunction happen after it left lunar orbit?
I don't completely remember. Anything the DOD is involved in you have to wonder about top-secret weapon study in space. Or at least I do.
 

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