Al-Quaida is shooting for 100k dead Americans during a Ramadan attack. I am so glad that Islam is a religion of peace.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...reaking_2.html

What does Islam have to do with Al Qaeda? It’s that mentality that makes Muslims think the US is a Christian crusader. Does it say in the Quran… must kill 100,000 Americans in Iraq, during Ramadan. When America and Iraq didn’t even exist?

Right, I've heard a lot of things like this before, but nothing has ever happened. I guess we'll just wait and see...

God, truth, shut the fuck up, please. Idiocy really knows no bounds.

Yes truth me too. I'm so happy that Islam is a religion of peace. I mean, come on. What is 100,000 dead civilians? Allah will be pleased.

nico, shut your yap and fire another neuron or two. Are you saying al-Queda has nothing to do with Islam? You're a fucking idiot.

Now everyone, lets all pray to Allah for peace. The Islamic kind of peace, which is thousands of dead civilians.

Al-Quaida has nothing to do with Islam? That's like saying that Santa has nothing to do with Christmas.

Shouldn't that be.. Now everyone, lets pray to George Bush for peace. The Bush kind of peace, which is thousands of dead innocent civilians? He's also killing thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq in the name of peace.

Al Queda are an extremist group, just like all faiths have extremists who take their own interpretation of their religious doctrines far beyond what they are supposed to.

fundamentalists in the middle east scare me just as much as the fundamentalists down the block here in wisconsin.. i hope they all choke on thier own foaming loathing hate speech.

i try to reason with them but they get pissed more and more at me because they claim that my acceptance of others is a blasphemy that is wrecking the strength of our country.. i'm sure its the same in the middle east.


oh yea and i just love the bumper sticker i see too often..
'no jesus no peace' rofl they really have no clue that they are being used as tools to make money at the game of perpetual war. And NO i do not think these folks represent the Christian Religion.. just as the alqaeda do not represent thiers.

Truth
Jarrek
Congratulations boys! Your just the sort of Dumb asses that Abu Salma Al-Hijazi knows he can impress just by opening his mouth. By manipulating you Al Qaida has a measure of control over you and consequently your government.
Want America to waste its money, its youth and its world standing?
Easy just persuade Truth Jarrek and a few million other daft Americans that bad arabs live in other countries and Bingo! You have America loosing wars across the middle east and no way to tell good arabs from bad ones anymore.
So then you get to fight all of them!
Sounds like an Al Qaida wet dream to me.
Lets face it, Al Qaida have had one (count 'em) successful attack on the US mainland. They don't sound like much of a threat to me.
Anyone care to disagree?

You two little soldiers will loose the war if you take too much notice of Al Qaida's bullshit.
Dee Cee

Add me to the list, DeeCee.

I'm not, extremist, pro war and God knows I'm a moderate when it comes to politics, but its true. Muslims believe that there won't be peace until only Muslims remain (dumbass ideology in itself, since Islam would end up breaking into different, new religions.) That leaves room for two options:

1) Kill all of the infidels and bring peace more quickly.
2) Wait.

I know there are great deal of Muslims who'd stick with option two. But then there is a disgustingly large number of a [i]cultural[i] majority(?) that supports option 1.

So what are you arguing for -- the ideaology? Or a realistic scenario of what Islam has become to the (mostly) Arab world (cultural boundaries of "Islam practicing Al Quaida." Not Al quaida practicing Islam if you know what I mean)?

Hi Xerxes.
I'm no expert on Islam but I'm damn sure the KKK claim to be christian as do those nutters who deny evolution and those pro-life doctor killers.
So how dangerous how fanatical is your average muslim?
I can only suggest you go out and meet a few.
Religion is fine as long as you don't let it go to your head. Most people Muslim/Christian/Jew ect ect know this and live accordingly.
Muslims can no more rewrite their old texts than we can rewrite 'ours' they just have to live with them.
If this was true I'm sure we would have noticed some time in the last 2000 years

All I'm saying is that people are people the word over and it is only those who choose to 'lead' that cause the problems.
Dee Cee

Of course, and I don't have anything against anybody until they force it upon themselves. But wouldn't you say that theres a difference between the popularity of the KKK in the north America today and the Al Quaida of say, Pakistan?

I think it would be a lot more accurate to compare them to the KKK of the early 1900's. In the same way that you would be killed/tortured for being black, you'd be killed for being American or Jewish. The authorities would do it to.

What I'm talking about, as I said in my last post, is a severe case of Islam practicing Al Quadism. A gigantic chunk of Islam-based culture is part-taking and this time, they have much greater ties to the religion and its leaders than did the KKK to priests. You realize their spiritual leaders are telling them thats its okay, and in the process doing what the lutherans did in the NAZI era (nows there's a comparison for you!)

We're dealing not with an entire religion, but a very large, widespread and influential religious sect that wants us dead. Thats a *reality* we can't ignore.

Doesn't the Quran state that the protection of all religions is paramount? It is the interpretation of the extremist which make the news. This is unfortunate for the 99% of other muslims who get to see their beliefs torn apart by a bunch of extremists who have twisted their faith into something that is deplorable. Al Queda does not represent all muslims. 99% of the muslim populations around the world find their doctrines to be evil. So why do we continuously point the finger at all when we really only mean one particular individual? The act of one does not represent all.

Dee Cee you are correct. The way which society acts in regards to muslims is only giving fundamental and extremist groups such as Al Queda and co the power they so desire. The issues that exist in the world in regards to the West's relationship with the Middle East will lessen once the West learns to respect the beliefs and political structures that exist elsewhere. And stop pointing the finger at the whole and recognise that the actions of the few do not represent the majority.

I don't think you understand..they don't believe that *true*, eternal peace will exist until only Islam remains and everyone is a believer. Symbolic, metaphorical, literal --- doesn't matter how you interpret it.

Finally, my point was that not *all muslims,* just a huge chunk practice. Heres a refresh:

%99..is a strong assumption. I wouldn't be surprised to see a majority against Al Quaida. What can't be argued is that fact that a *huge* chunk supports Al Quaida and its actions. Somalia, Pakistan, Syria..You'll find majorities in all of those countries.

It is you who distorts reality. I criticized a chunk not a whole. There is a difference you know?

One of the big problems is that we (the American public) don't see that 99% (or whatever percent it really is) of muslims you are talking about doing their absolute best to keep their radical 1% (or more) in check. In fact we (the American public again) see quite a bit of cheering everytime something in some way connected to the West goes boom at the nutters hands. Some groups may do the right thing (like the Saudi government who are only doing so out of self preservation) but it isn't really the people. I mean doing things like turning in family members who have ties to the Taliban, Hamas, or whatever and the local law enforcement dragging any suspected terrorist in their juristiction by force if needs be..

Yes I am aware of the difference. And I wasn't criticising you personally. I meant the West in general.

Ermm I kind of alluded to that in my first reply in this thread. My thread is not an attack on you Xerxes, all I'm and have been saying, like you, is that not all agree with the fundamental or extremist views that groups such as Al Queda believe in.

All religious faiths have a few religious nuts who preach extremes, yet even those with a minute sense of intelligence recognise the tripe and move on. The issue, like Dee Cee stated, lies when those in power abuse that power and people blindly follow them. And all the Muslims and also people from other faiths I know believe that it is only through the understanding and respect of all faiths can there be peace. But such a peace will never exist because there will always be those extremist nutters out there who have a totally different agenda.

Oh dear this thread is going to shit
Let me try again.
Probably overstated but possible. So what happened to the KKK?
I like to think that the American public got an education and found a measure of peace with their darker instincts.
What would you need to do to educate 'Islam' that your not 'The Great Satan'?
Post here?
Meet more Muslims?
Drop bombs?
Look mate you need to post some evidence of this you really do. You can't expect me to declare war on the strength of your assumptions.
As far as I can tell Americans are all over the world, if your right I'd expect them to be shot down like ducks in a bathtub.
Americans really are Everywhere. They got no bodyguards no guns no bullet proof vehicles. We know that Arabs can board aircraft so no country is a safe haven.
Are you sure 'muslims' are serious about wanting us dead?
Now can you find me a site that reports a significant rise in racial attacks against western civvies in the last few years. I'm sure you'll find one or two but remember what your trying to prove.
We're dealing not with an entire religion, but a very large, widespread and influential religious sect that wants us dead.

I will conceed that we have of late dropped in the estimation of the average Arab but I don't think things are quite as bad as you suggest Xerxes. Not yet anyway.
Dee Cee

bin laden has been saying to folks that the west is the great satan for a while now.

our militaristic tactics that kill thousands of civilians are proving him correct. its my and many others belief that the bush administration is playing directly into his hands to create more enemies in order to maintain and further develop a military dictatorship in the US. the bush administration has been talking about perpetual war quite alot since 9-11, words like crusade and new world order led by the US continue to increase Al Qaeda recruitment. the whole concept of pre-emptive killing by itself does the trick for fundamentalist recruiters over there.. bin laden is laughing his ass off.. or he's on the payroll of the corrupt military industrial complex .. im not sure which.

ive heard from several sources that many political groups in the middle east that were 'pro-western' and moving toward democratic reforms are being ousted in favor of fundamentalists because of our 'war on terror.' don't you anti-mid-east people see that bush is achieving the exact opposite of his stated goals!!!? of course if you listen to western press *only* you will have a hard time understanding this because the news is so filtered.

nico, shut your yap and fire another neuron or two. Are you saying al-Queda has nothing to do with Islam? You're a fucking idiot.


It has nothing to do with Islam, that's right. Does the US attacking Iraq have anything to do with Christianity? The evangelicals think it does. So Jerrek explain to me how is it then that 1.3 billion Muslims aren't in Iraq killing 100K Americans? Since it is Islam, I guess it's in the scriptures. Please Jerrek don't speak without a idea of what you’re saying.

I'd feel a lot better if the Sauds weren't spending hundreds of millions of dollars financing schools and mosques in Muslim enclaves around the world, and staffing them with Wahhabist, teaching that more violent, fanatical brand of Islam to the average Muslim child.