Aquinas' proofs for God

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  1. Mind Over Matter Registered Senior Member

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    In his Summa Theologica, the medieval Dominican theologian St. Thomas Aquinas answers the question "Does God exist?" by offering five arguments drawn from observance of the natural world to support the existence of God. They are:

    An argument from motion: Since the universe is in motion, something or someone must have set it in motion.
    An argument from cause: The universe must have a first efficient cause in order to exist.
    An argument from existence: In order for all things to exist, there must be something or someone that is existence and does not receive existence from something else. In other words, there must be something or someone which is not dependent for its existence from something else.
    An argument from goodness: The fact that there are differing degrees of goodness in the world means that there must be some standard or perfection of goodness against which we can measure lesser goods.
    An argument from design: All things in the are directed to an end and find their end in such a way as is best for them. This indicates design, and design indicates a Designer.

    Does God exist?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Hopelessly out of date.
     
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  5. praty Registered Member

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    First three invoke infinite regress and don't address how god becomes immune to the regress.
    Fourth isn't even an argument.
    Fifth(the holy grail of creationists) - Darwin's evolution by natural selection makes it all wrong.

    These things have been discussed for ages. Or as spidergoat says "hopelessly out of date".
     
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  7. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    And of course the answer is 'something' not 'someone'. The latter being patently absurd.
     
  8. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    #3 - Contradicts 1 & 2.
    #4 - Goodness? Good for who? Is the momma cat being good when she brings a wounded mouse home for the kiddies to play with? From a cat's eye view, yes. From the mouse eye view, probably not so much.
    #5 - All things find their end in a way that's best for them??? I'm sure the dodo is glad to hear that.
     
  9. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    St. Thomas Aquinas's thought process is garbage as has been pointed out.
     
  10. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Whom were these arguments addressed at?
    Whom were they meant for? On what occasion?
     

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