Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. ProphetofWisdom Almighty Tallest Registered Senior Member

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    No, the Death Star is FAR to weak to be powered by anything but a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of Chuck Norris' power. When Chuck Norris farts entire galactic Super Clusters are destroyed! Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks the sun into to people for the lolz! He can destroy the entire omniverse with a single full power roundhouse kick!!!!

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    Oh, and OBS IS Chuck Norris. OBS = Chuck Norris.

    And claims of Bruce Lee > Chuck Norris clearly do not know the fact that Chuck Norris won the fight. The reason we see him losing is because the most the most expensive Special Effects of all time were used to make it appear that Bruce Lee survived the encounter and won. It was so expensive the Xeelee and every other Type IV Civ went bankrupt from it.

    Edit: Yeah!!! I got the first post of page 1000 of the thread!!!!
     
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  3. ricrery Banned Banned

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    OBS > Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is NOT OBS, because OBS is OHHHHH BIG STEVE, not Chuck Norris. OBS would laugh at the low awesome powers such as Chuck, Mr. T, and Rick Astley.
     
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  5. ProphetofWisdom Almighty Tallest Registered Senior Member

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    IF OBS is so powerful why did it get erase at SB? Chuck Norris destroyed it and everything pre-2001 for daring to rise against him. Fact: OBS has to pay Chuck Norris rent or he will destroy it and the rest of the Omniverse. Fact: OBS was created by Chuck Norris. Fact: Chuck Norris can not be defeated by anything. Ever. He can only win.
     
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  7. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Huh, one thousand pages huh? Didn't ever think we'd get this far.

    In any case, how about a recape guys? Anyone up for that? What would happen if ST and SW met up?
     
  8. ricrery Banned Banned

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    You are so delusional. You are not EVER allowed to say Chuck Norris beats OBS, because it's an INTERNET MEME there, and it's the strongest one, therefor OBS created everything, including Chuck Norris. I dare you to say Chuck Norris is stronger than OBS at Spacebattles.
     
  9. ricrery Banned Banned

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    It would be a massacre for ST, as they would be fighting each other while the Empire exterminates them due to almost complete control of the galaxy. Then Xeelee come from nowhere and erase both from ever occurring, thus Xeelee conquer the universe, then Chuck Norris roundhouse kicks the Xeelee, destroying them from reality, as well as the omniverse, but OBS is seen in a desk in the white emptiness, and he fires Chuck and takes away his roundhouse boot from him, thus Chuck Norris is no longer employed at "Obey Big Steve" anymore.
     
  10. ProphetofWisdom Almighty Tallest Registered Senior Member

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    Incorrect. Because the recently renamed “The Rules Of The Omniverse” encyclopedia (Because of semantics whoring) 116.2 and 117.2th Editions clearly show that Chuck Norris the most powerful Internet Meme.

    A little bit from the News: Just a poster of Chuck Norris can stop crime!

     
  11. ricrery Banned Banned

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    What part of nothing can beat OBS don't you understand?
     
  12. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Alright, I'll go first.


    The Basics

    The first thing to look at is firepower capability. Understandable as this is the most contested point of them all. Now, each sci-fi generally has its ups and downs and taking those, be they legitiment or not, as a moment of definition for the series can be dishonest.

    To solve this, it is best to look at the means of their weapons or power generation. Ie, most ST ships use matter-antimatter reactors and therefore most of their weapon generation and firepower should be limited to these ballpark ranges. This leaves a fair deal open for Trek, since not much antimatter is needed for a big bang. However, this is a sort of guidline to keep someone from flying off the handle and claiming 'teratons!!!' of firepower. It's possible that in some cases, the universe may simply have a more efficient of antimatter or fusion reactors.

    For the most part, Star Trek tends to stay in the megaton ranges. The Enterprise D was shown to withstand about 3,913 terajoules during Relics (check out DITL's Galaxy Class Shielding page). That's about a total of 888 megatons. That's a fairly impressive bit. We also know that ships of that time can carry warheads that range from low yields to something as high as 500-1,000 megatons.

    In Voyager's Prophecy, we get a D7 Class Battlecruiser from the TOS era. It takes 5 photon torpedoes and a disruptor blast to reduce Voyager's shields down by 50%. Ignoring the disruptors for now, that's about 10% per blast. Keep in mind that Voyager is smaller than the GCS and its power is on par with a Nova class, which is considered to be a more science oriented ship, but it's also supposed to be more advanced than the GCS. So, about half of the GCS sounds right. That's about 468 megatons for Voyager. At 10% that's around 195.65 petajoules or 46 megatons per torpedo.

    It should also be noted that only the port shields had suffered that sort of damage, the rest of the shield grid (it's divided into like, 6 sections) seemed just fine.

    This would make the TOS era ships with weapons about 2x stronger than ENT era's highest torpedo setting--and keep in mind that only 1/4th of that energy would have hit too. Ie, only 5 megatons per torpedo would be hitting the Defiant in most cases (some more, others less, depending on the positioning and direction of the ships and torpedoes). Therefore, It would take about 9.2 torpedoes to equal one of the Defiant's. Logically then a TOS ship would have been roughly nine times stronger than any ship in that century.

    Of course, because TOS era still used omni-directional torpedoes, the actual yield of that torpedo would be about 184 megatons in actual yields.

    Later TNG era ships like the Sovereign displayed rather amazing levels of durability in being able to withstand a much greater punishment, but I doubt its more than 2-3 gigatons.

    SW ships on the other hand...

    They're all over the place. The ICS--yeah, you know the one, claims gigatons to teratons, but the actual figures are downright laughable and proven false by the simple logic of half of the Clone Wars episodes, not including special effects. Going from a novel's comment of 'vaporizing' a city, we get at least double digit kilotons. Highest figure is 1 megaton and so I'll go with that.

    With the speeds we saw them firing in the Clone Wars, each heavy turret could easily dish out 6 megatons a second. It isn't much, but a broadside from it will make that 24 megatons a second--and suddenly the entire thing changes.

    Unfortunately, SW aim is terrible and has a quick drop off of only a few hundred KM for accurate reasons and maybe a few thousand for longer ranges. Trek on the other hand, while they prefer to engage at around the same ranges as SW ships, can fight from a farther distance of hundreds of km and unlike SW ships which still miss at closer ranges, they typically hit.

    Even with the larger ISDs, a 20 year gap is not going to change things much. Even assuming 4x the strength, the UFP still trumps in firepower and the ISDs are literally, aside from the DS and the SSD, the most powerful warships in the Empire. They are so powerful that they are literally considered worthy of acting as their own battle squadron, but due to politics, were put in as a single line. Ie, they're literally more useful than about a dozen of your average cruiser.

    Industry

    The industry power clearly goes to the Empire. Much bigger and more planets, though its obviously less sophisticated than TNG era building methods. The Empire has millions of ships and the UFP has about 30,000. Even with allies, they at best half less than 25%-50% of what the Empire has and possibly less than that.

    However, on the other hand, the problem here is that the Empire has its hands tied. Mon Calamari and one or two other systems can keep the Empire at bay because most of their fleet is busy hunting down rebels and forcing rulership through force and intimidation. Mon Calamari, despite its incredibly small defense fleet (even to TOS standards), was able to keep the Empire from evading because it simply could not send the usual task force of about fifty or so ships to take them out. The Empire's political instability literally reduces its millions of ships to a few hundred at best. Any attempt at invading the Alpha-Beta Quadrant would fail pathetically. Not only are their ships less powerful punch for punch, but it would require an amount that they could not literally scrap up.

    That said, for each race of TNG...

    Cardassians
    The Cardassians would be one of the powers that would invade the Empire, but not to dominate it, but rather to just take bits and pieces. The Cardassian ships would be easier to destroy than the other powers, but would still outmuscle your average ISD with a Galor class. However, I honestly can't see them expanding beyond a few annexed colonies simply because they'd only be interested in strip minning, not large expansions to their empire. Basically, the Cardassians would be a gnat that the Empire can't get rid of; too small to be a threat, but you just can't kill it.

    Breen
    The Breen would probably just raid systems and ships. Literally no ship in the Empire would come close to matching them--the only thing that would beat them would possibly be an ISD, but the Breen's dampening weapon would make that a rather difficult prospect.

    Klingons
    The Klingons could be one of the powers that would invade and they could do it well. They'd be interested in the hyperspace technology and would probably use it to allow them to take a fairly large chunk of territory from the Empire--and the Klingons are likely to treat their captured worlds better than the Empire itself. The Klingons would be one of the more dangerous of enemies.

    Romulans
    The Romulans would probably prefer a slower campaign that's focused more on important worlds, territories, and technology than increasing border size. They probably wouldn't commit to an all out invasion though, simply because they would realize that it would take a century to completely take over the Empire, even with a coup on the homeworld.

    United Federation of Planets
    Wouldn't have any interest in Imperial space beyond exploration.

    Dominion
    Would probably launch either a hundred year campaign to bring down the Empire or more likely kill and replace its leaders or cause the Empire to fall and allow the bitter worlds to fall right into the arms of the Dominion...

    The Borg
    Aside from a few technologies here and there, wouldn't really care about the Empire since their technology is mostly stone age compared to theirs and their technological progression moves as fast as a snail.
     
  13. ricrery Banned Banned

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    *rolls eyes* Ignore Hellfire8, he only says things to have Star Trek win, like 31st century Federation beating Xeelee (which instantly proves that he's crazy), or Borg being a strong power. He ignores that the SW civilization is tens of thousands of years old, and assumes that they are incapable of firing gigatons-teratons on their ships, even though starfighters which are magnitudes weaker than starships pump out kilotons in the movies.
     
  14. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    oh,i agree with this 1 billion %.The Tau'ri would totally owed ANYONE!
    Teal'c,Sam,Jack and Daniel are the best EVER, Sheppard,Teyla and Rodney also,and Ronon with Teal'c would simply WALK into Mordor.
     
  15. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yup,the Delta-7 Aethersprite-class light interceptor ,a very week starfighter by SW standards,has 2 dual laser cannons with 1 kiloton per shot.Jango's Slave I from episode 2
    had in those 2 blaster cannons 600 gigajoules per shot, and the Acclamator I had 12 quad turbolasers turrets with 200 gigatones per shot. that's highly something the Borg won't want.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sorry, but Chuck Norris isn't all that powerful, all joking aside... his roundhouse kick is only so decent...

    I mean, hell, Sisko would kick the backside of his face after breaking both of Chucks legs.
     
  17. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    are you serious?the federation would run at only seeing Chuck!
     
  18. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    What was that you said Ricrery about ProphetofWisdom agreeing with you? Seems to me like he just tour your arguement apart.
     
  19. ricrery Banned Banned

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    You're the thickest fool I see right now. What part of "no" don't you understand? Chuck Norris can have more than infinite power and not even make OBS flinch, as 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.1% of his power is stronger than Chuck Norris.
     
  20. Omega133 Aus der Dunkelheit Valued Senior Member

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    Personal attacks, ranting, yep; a typical post from you. And you just don't seem to get it. PrphetofWisdom even disagrees wit you. He even presented proof.
     
  21. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    oh come on you guys,you really are adrift from the subject of this thread.
     
  22. ricrery Banned Banned

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    You clearly don't understand what "no" means, so yes, personal attacks on you.
     
  23. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    dudes...?
     
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