Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Uhm... no, they can't.

    Gravitational fields are easily counterable in Trek... eg, Trek ships can easily fly into, and out of, a BLACK HOLE.

    You do not get gravitational fields more powerful than that... PERIOD.

    So, count Centerpoint out.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Again, 1) They'd have to know where those planets are
    2) They'd need to be able to USE Centerpoint
    3) THey'd have to be able to penetrate the planetary shielding (not likely as a small SCOUT starships shields can withstand a BLACK HOLE)
    4) They'd have to do all this without Centerpoint being found and blown back to the stone age!
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Jedi, here's the thing:

    Gravity based weapons (including your tractor beams, Centerpoint, etc) will NOT work as Trek ship shields can EASILY withstand the most powerful gravitational force possible - a black hole.

    Kinetic based weapons probably wouldn't work very well to begin with

    Plasma based weapons wouldn't work as Voyager and the Ent-D have BOTH taken SuperNova's to the face at near point blank range with minimal damage

    Ion weapons we won't even go into the folly of trying to use those.

    Missiles will be destroyed by a shot from 2 emitters on the primary phaser strips equaling the firepower of your average light turbo laser... that's 2 out of, oh, around 700 emitters.

    You see the problem Jedi?
     
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  7. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Yes they can, when they are firing at full power. Centerpoint's gravitational fields are many times more powerful then a blackhole, scince it can't destroy a star system in a second. When did they ever fly into a blackhole?
     
  8. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    1) They will find out, they can have spies in the Federation
    2) They can use Centerpoint, it is operational for a long time
    3) They never demonstrated that ability, plus it is many times more powerful then a blackhole
    4) No Star Trek shielding is terrible, even the Falcon flown into a blackhole cluster
    5) Star Trek firepower is terrible compared to Star Wars
     
  9. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Again never demonstrated it, Star Trek can barly surrive in a neutron star. Centerpoint is more powerful then a blackhole

    They never did, Voyager surrived with the help of a Q. There is no other demonstrations of that ability.

    Again, they are also plasma weapons.
    Not even close of 700. Anyways, they don't often use missiles.

    No, but I do see your lying problem, is worse then what you described of TW Scott by a hundred times.
     
  10. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, why didn't they make the 2nd death star smaller than the first, I heard it was bigger.

    And more to the EU debate, Lucas said there is no story after Ep. VI, if there really is movie canon and sub-movie canon as you say... Then all of those EU books contradict that statement (which is film canon).
     
  11. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    That is not an offical statment besides, there is no movie after Ep. VI, but the Saga contiunes acroding to this statment also by George Lucas.

    And he said himself he is mainly in charge of the movies and not EU, he is involved in the planning but not the detail. Acording to the interview section of Unifying Force. And here is another qoute.

     
  12. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it is.

    I'll have to find the quote.
     
  13. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    voaager can survive being trapped in a balck hole-ish thing

    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Parallax_(episode)

    no super nova impacts though

    Ent-D had to escape...
     
  14. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Actually it is an offical statement it is documented and on file.
     
  15. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I don't know...you thinking losing millions of soliders would put a dent in that sort of thinking.
     
  16. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    And with that being true, it nullifies the rest of his post.
     
  17. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Not only that, but when technology progresses, it gets smaller.

    Correct?

    And it is simply more logical to build something smaller with equal firepower.
     
  18. Saquist Banned Banned

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    That's illogical.
    It is a matter of strategy not possibilities.
    Trek has cloak, energy dampening fields, drain weapons and a amazing amount of firepower, not to mention tractor beams. A small shuttle is all one would need. A tractor beam could easily prevent a Star Wars shuttle from making the jump to light speed and entering hyperspace....Even a fighter.

    I don't think you thought that statement through.
     
  19. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Star Wars is the ultimate cliche for superweapons and bad vs good guys.
    Superweapons will always be supper large and extraordinarily easy to destroy. Which cancels out the super....
     
  20. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    who needs a tractor beam, just beam the bloody thing into a cargo bay.

    Imagine the look on the Imperials faces when their CAP starts disappearing into the cargo bays of the cloaked Romulan fleet
     
  21. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    He was not declearing that EU is not canon. Neither did he say EU is not canon directly.
     
  22. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I have qoutes that countered your statment.
     
  23. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    It is only 4 years, and DS I takes 24 hours to recharge but DS II only take a few minuts.
     
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