Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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    They were in those fields were days. Some were bound to get through.
     
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    this and the few following bolts are invisible at their point of origin
     
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    coincidently the only asteroid that got through was the large one
     
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    Because they were shooting for days, the guns were bound to overheat.
     
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    take a close look at the blast and the bolts. the blast do not cause vaporization at all. the actually defragment the asteroids which after that slowly desperse at slow rates. there is no flash that would be asociated to kiloton, megaton or gigaton explosions. the surounding area remains inert and unafected.

    bolts apear to be composite in nature. there are 2 visible heads inside the beam. duble wammy or short burst fire capability.
    i call these bolts point defence or flack bolts. they are the smallest bolts sean fyring in the movie (from an ISD).
     
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    and yet they are perfectly capable of shoting at the milenium falcon after they locate her
     
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    Actually, in Regeneration, Reed increased the yield of the phase pistols to break through the Borg shielding. This worked fairly well...until the Borg adapted.

    And furthermore, phasers have shown to hold a lot more effective firepower than blasters. Phasers can burn holes through rock, or on a pulse setting, blast through a steel door (as seen in ST 10).
     
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    these are bolts in the mentioned scene with the falcon. they are larger and clearly visible in their points of origin:

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    You mean out of the numerous guns, they couldn't do a roatational method that would allow them to keep the guns in prime condition? Sorry, I call bullshit here, that asteriod field wasn't so busy that all guns had to be firing to keep them safe.

    And again, the Borg have demonstrated firepower well above that seen in Star Wars.
     
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    again the efect they have on small in this case barely visible asteroids is the same- small level blast and defragmentation of the asteroids into debries smaller then 1m in diameter. htese bolts apear more coherent and at leas 2 times the widht-caliber of the previous examples.
     
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    here are the last frames from that scene-sorry they are not all in chronolgical order but it took me 10 replaus just to capture them in this quality. anyways you all have the movies and can always re-wach the scenes.

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    acording to http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/millenniumfalcon/
    the falcon is 26.7m long. this makes it 25m wide at best. the bolt is 14-16 times smaller than that at best. this makes these bolts 1.7-1.5m wide. if the smaller bolts (fired at the asteroids) were 2times smaller then that they would be 0.7-0.8m wide.

    the astroids targeted are 7-8 times that widht in length and 4-5 times in height.
    the smallest is 6 times larger in length and 4 times in height. the largest is 8 times that widht in height 7 times in length.

    so the asteroids we see blasted in the movie are not larger then 6.4m in their largest visible dimension. had they been fired upon by the larger bolts they would have been as large as 13m.

    this gives as some idea to the power of imperial TLs. at least for the least powerfull ones. i'll name these type1. the ones used agains the falcon shoe no grater firepower but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and name them type2. these are larger, longer and i would asume more powerfull. since both types exibit flack capability i asume that at leat a part of them contains some plasma elements that detonate on distance instead of impact. however since the asteroid debries is not pushed back by the impacts this plasma componetnt must be small and far weaker then the main component of the bolt. what is this component ? hard to tell. but it obviously causes the asteroids to crumble and then get dispersed by the exess termal energy over small distances. a large part of the debries actualy remans in the vicinity of the blast which leeds to the conclusion that it is not the termal efect of the bolt or the plasma component that does the damage. it only enhances the efect and provides the flack efect.
     
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