Beyond Comprehension

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  1. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    That's good. I like the dual meaning of that last line. Subtle and close to being astute.

    Are you saying that all religious people share a common bond and it isn't kosher for a person of one religion to ridicule another's religion?
     
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  3. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    I am saying that judging a genre by it's worst stereotype hardly warrants intelligent criticism
     
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  5. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Brother...that line is hard to let pass.

    How is the worst religious stereotype identified?

    Lg, you know that I put all religious philosophers in the same boat, good or bad, smart or dumb. Some medical practioners use modern science and some stir herbs in a wooden bowl but they're only trying to make you feel better.

    Stereotyping the religious is like saying it's worse to die slowly rather than fast, but either way you're dead. When anyone religious criticizes your position do they in an intelligent manner? An atheist critiquing you is what?
     
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  7. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    still it remains, atheistic criticism that appears in academic circles is somewhat different than what it appears in general on sci.

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  8. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Rather condescending remark from you.

    I think you've seen plenty of good arguments from a lot of true atheists here. Atheists that aren't trying to sell a book or get on TV.

    You're coming across like someone with a degree who thinks their shit don't stink. This is evident in your philosophy also. You are more apt to tell us what you know than give your own opinion. Remember, when I once marked papers, that was barely a passing grade.

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    Come on, just one opinion without referencing your library. I honestly think that if you must argue religion using references to ancient scripture then you don't have an opinion of your own or are afraid to post it.
     
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  9. VossistArts 3MTA3 Registered Senior Member

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    I mean what is said by itself. Isnt it a choice to take whats said, or a stated concept, and make something of it? Like I can say god is in the sky all day every day for the rest of my life and it wont make a god be there.
     
  10. jb21 Registered Member

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    logically, any brain could say that if god do allow pain than he cant allow joys, to me it is pur logic

    who allow pain, consider joys being the power on pain, his joys
    as who allow joys, consider pain being the force on joys, his pains

    who accept the notion pain, is defintely a negative nature thant cant evolve positively
    as who accept the notion joy, is a positive nature that cant evolve negatively

    now for those religious as christians, they dont care for good to care for the lackness of good in god ways, they are opportunists of pains like him
     
  11. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    1 of hundreds of people I've known or come across : Do you know Jesus (or some religious thing)?
    Me : I have different beliefs.
    1 of hundreds : Your beliefs don't mean Jesus doesn't exist.

    It seems christians would be very unhappy to find there's no hell & there will be an end to suffering.
     
  12. greenberg until the end of the world Registered Senior Member

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    You seem to think that a person's personal opinion must necessarily be different than what scriptures say; and that if it isn't, they are either witholding their opinion or don't have one.

    If I am correct in this estimation of your approach, then please explain firstly, why it is necessary that one's opinion be different from scriptures; and secondly, why if it isn't, it isn't a valid input.
     
  13. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    I can't quote much from the bible, as I am not an expert---but In the Bible it states somewhere "sins of the father will be visited on his offspring".
    Taken alone, what is incomprehensible about this?
     
  14. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't know philosophy was an exact science. Thanks for pointing that out.

    If you do not have an opinion other than scripture then just say so. Greenberg, LG & I have developed some kind of spy vs spy arrangement. Lord knows I've seen enough little smilie icons from him that indicate sarcasm, condescending remarks and whatever. Little games within the game, all in an effort to outsmart the other guy. I quote no one. Would you rather have me quote from Madalyn Murray O'Hair or Dawkins, would it make you feel better?
     
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  15. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Please, in your own words.....explain that quote.
     
  16. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    It is not a quote. You stated that theists defend "evil" things done to "good" people, i.e children, by saying God is incomprehensible. In the bible it says, I am paraphrasing, that the sins of the father will be visited upon his offspring. What about that statement, with all due respect, do you not understand?
     
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  17. Balerion Banned Banned

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    He probably wants to know how you can think that such a practice is moral. Granted, it probably served as a pretty decent deterrent back then...but probably not.

    Do you believe if I murder a man tomorrow, my children should have to continue my sentence after I die? Or that they should be punished in any way for my actions?
     
  18. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    It is not about what I believe. Theistic doctrines address issues of "bad things happening to good people", is my assertion.
     
  19. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Ah, so you have no opinion on the matter. Blind follower, are we?
     
  20. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    Your asking my opinion of your statement of your dad murdering someone?
     
  21. Balerion Banned Banned

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    I'm curious as to what makes you OK with the idea of you being punished for your dad's mistakes.
     
  22. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    It was you I didn't understand but now I think I get what you're saying. You're refuting my suffering children remark by saying God does that on purpose but it's not His fault. Perfectly understandable.

    You're ok with that? I mean God causing suffering to children for something their father did in the past.

    This is what I'm talking about. I not talking about comprehending the scripture, I'm talking about comprehending God. Please tell us why God does this so we can all understand.
     
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  23. rjr6 Devout Theist Registered Senior Member

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    Not sure where to start. My being "OK" with a theistic doctrine will not get the OP closer to an answer to his question. Also, sins aren't neccessarily mistakes.
     

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