Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sorry mate- I haven't read ever single Star Wars book...

    And if Centerpoint is so damned powerful, why didn't the Rebels or the Empire use it... why'd they need the DeathStar?
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but we have no way to GET there... we have no way to establish first contact right now... in Star Trek, first contact is INITIATED by Humans (Cochrane and the first Warp Flight)
     
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  5. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Enterprise engaged in visual range, and other ships fought in visual range, not even they were very very close.


    ISDs are 1.6 KM long and SSDs are almost 20 KM. If a 20 KM long ship is seen as a little dot, It is probably alot more then 6,000 time away.
     
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  7. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Who said they won't come here, they have the technology.
     
  8. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Thats Okay, in that case I will explain it. Centerpoint is a space station build in 100,000,000 BBY ( BBY is the years before battle of Yavin ), it is upgraded by the Five Worlds Confederacy for years to make it operational and stronger. The Centerpoint is not owned by the Empire or the Rebels, and it is still under upgradtion that time.
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Visual range of a 3km x 3 km x 3km cube is pretty far away mate... remember that.

    an executor is a mere 17,484m...

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  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    As you can see, the Executor is the ONLY thing Wars has bigger than, say, the Caretakers array, or a Borg Assimilation Cube, or the Voth City Ship... hell, look at the Dominion Planetary Assault SHip... it's massive! I reckon, 1v1, a Tactical Cube would be MORE than a match for say a mon cal cruiser and two of them would probably take down even the Executor
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd also bet the USS Defiant, at 122 meters, could take on the 17km Executor.

    Why?

    They'd never see it coming till it was RIGHT up close where it's pulse phasers could do some real damage. It's heavy weapons would be useless due to the Defiants manuverability, and the seriously overpowered warp core would dump enough aux power into the shield grid to shrug off the light turbolasers.
     
  12. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, Unreliable sources.
     
  13. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Again Unreliable chart.
     
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  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    As you can see, he's done his homework...

    * Star Trek — All starship sizes obtained from Ex Astris Scientia, as stated in official references or calculated by Bernd Schneider.
    * Babylon 5 — Earth and Interstellar Alliance ship sizes obtained from the official size comparison charts used by Netter Digital, the visual effects company for the series' fourth and fifth seasons (released by Tim Earls). Alien ship sizes obtained from The Babylon 5 Technical Manual.
    * Star Wars — All starship sizes obtained from the official Star Wars website and TheForce.net.
    * Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda — Official size of the Andromeda Ascendant obtained from the All Systems University Library.
    * Battlestar Galactica (1977) — Sizes uncertain, calculated based on length of filming miniatures and approximate scale. (Source: The Battlestar Galactica Tech Manual, April 2003)
    * Battlestar Galactica (2003) — Most sizes determined from information listed on the official Sci-Fi Channel website.
    * Farscape — Sizes derived from comparison images included as extra features on the Farscape: The PeaceKeeper Wars DVD.
    * 2001: A Space Odyssey — Discovery size calculated based on length of EVA pod. Approximate Space Station 5 diameter calculated based on estimated length of Orion space clipper.
    * Starship Troopers — Sizes obtained from the official Starship Troopers website. (August 2002)
    * Space: Above and Beyond — Sizes obtained from official S:AAB manuals and charts. (August 2002)
    * Galaxy Quest — Size uncertain, calculated based on estimated length of command module.
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    It can fire all it's missiles at Defiant in a long range, then next wave they fire Sesmic Charges, third wave they fire Long-range turbolasers, fourth wave, they send the Dreadgaunts, fifth wave, the SSD's heavy turbolaser is in range, fifth wave they fire the Ion Cannons, sixth wave, they send Eclips ( It have Superlasers ). By the time second wave ended Defiant will be exterminated. My stratagy can destroy 1700 Star Trek ships no problem.
     
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    One problem Jedi... they didn't do that when the survival of the ship depended on it, so I don't believe they can do that.

    Show me specifications showing they can do that, and THEN I'll consider making a counter-strategy to it!
     
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    That is scary... the Federation Peregrine fighter is nearly 4 meters LARGER than the X-wing... wow

    And the Danube class is a full 10 m longer...
     
  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Counter to this:

    1) Missiles - Defiant uses it's phaser emitters (not pulse phasers) individually instead of as a grid, targetting up to 250 missiles at once for detonation. Plus, Defiant comes out of warp 100 meters from the Executor.

    2) Seismic Charges - as already stated, a Seismic Charge would not WORK in the vacuum of space. Maybe a SONIC charge? In which case... Structural Integrity Field would mitigate it. Plus, they'd damage themselves at 100 meters.

    3) Long Range turbolasers would never hit it due to the agility of the Defiant and the time it takes them to travel that distance... besides, there is no long range - Defiant comes out of Warp within 100 meters of the Executor.

    4,5,6) Same, range issues... plus what is a dreadnaught anyway? I've never seen them.

    7) Eclipse - uhm... it's 1v1 Defiant vs Executor...

    So that leaves you with the octal turbolasers and light turbolasers
     
  23. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Apprently he forgot the size of Excecutor. He is way off, it is 19,000 Meters not 17,000 meters.
    http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/superstardestroyer/index.html
    TheForce.net is not canon.

    If the Spacestations are involved he forgot to add the 350 Kilometer long Centerpoint. He forgot the Death Star thats the size of our moon ir even bigger. He forgot alot of things.

    For ships, he forgot Pellon's Super Star Destroyer, and Eclips. Eclips is 17,500 meters long and Pellon's SSD is 15,000 meters.
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sovereign-class_Star_Dreadnought
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse_(ship)

    Some work, I doubt TheForce.net is more accuate then Star Wars wiki. Star Wars wiki have monitors that delete everything thats untrue or have no source.
     
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