Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

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    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Cody Registered Member

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    Doesn't say he HAS to help. Just because some super powerful being would come in doesn't mean everyone would ban together. The Q would actually support the Empire, seeing as the Q hate the Federation.

    That is Skywalker's cup 'o tea.
     
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  3. Cody Registered Member

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    Because Alderaan is a core world, and all core worlds had Planetary shields. Even some Mid and Outer Rim planets had shields, like Ukio.

    Star Wars Novelization:
    A voice announced over a hidden speaker that they had approached within antigrav range of Alderaan--approximately six planetary diameters.

    Star Wars Radio Dramatization:
    TARKIN: Make sure we are well out of range of the explosion.

    Here are more EU references on planetary shields:

    The Last Command:
    pg.8: "..could be seen dropping through the brief gaps Ground Control was opening for them in Ukio's energy shield, a hazy blue shell surrounding the planet about 50 kilometers above the surface.

    Planetary shields (at least in Ukio) are well within the atmosphere.

    The Last Command:
    pg.10: "Sequence four had two of the Ukians' thirty overlapping shield generators as its targets....launching such an attack would mean that Thrawn had given up on his stated goal of taking Ukio with its planetary defenses intact."

    Wedge's Gamble:
    pg. 34: With his mention of the defense shields, two spheres constructed of hexagons appeared to encase the world. One moved in the direction of its orbit, the other moved in the opposite direction.

    SW planetary shields are composed of multiple overlapping shields. Also, these shields seem to be in the form of an umbrella or plate of some sort instead of hemispherical. Thrawn's cloaked ships could maneuver under these shield segments easily. Hoth's Echo Base had but a single generator, implying the same geometry; a high atmospheric "parasol" much like the shieldships used to travel to Nkllon in "Heir to the Empire". If this is the case, then the Imperials could just land "outside" of the shield area and walk in under the "umbrella".

    The Last Command:
    pg.73: "If the Empire has learned a method for focusing nonvisible energy against a shield, it could conceivably weaken a section long enough to fire a turbolaser blast through the opening."

    It is unclear here whether Ackbar was referring to part of a shield or one of the multiple overlapping shields. If the former, then it seems planetary shields can "leak" energy at points if overwhelmed. Parts of the shield can be overwhelmed, and if the entire shield itself soaks up too much energy it will catastrophically collapse.
     
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  5. Cody Registered Member

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    I wonder why I'm arguing with you then? No matter.

    Provide proof that the writer DOES control canon.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    MAYBE for starfighters... but not for capital ships.
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Again, fuck Centerpoint already. It can't FIRE at us, it can't MOVE to us... it can't do ANYTHING.

    And, again, we'll just dis-assemble those ships at the molecular level.

    You want to play hardball, fine.

    Enterprise-E goes back in time via a temporal vortex to a time before the Star Wars universe climbed out of the ooze and slags the planets in every solar system with a few high yield multi-million isotonne warheads.

    Now Star Wars never happened.

    Since you guys dont' have Temporal Shielding around the ENTIRE universe (nor do you have a ship able to travel back in time) you're Shit out of Luck.

    You want superweapons? We can make superweapons out of normal ships...
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Uhm, no, it's not like that at all. It's outrageous because the movies say what you are claiming is IMPOSSIBLE. And so do the books BEFORE the movies. Thus, they don't exist... well, they do, but only in your fanboy mind.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    OH MY FUCKING GOD!

    You are TRYING AGAIN to override the movie! STOP DOING THAT.

    Did you READ the topic? There is NO WAY to say "oh, well, he's wrong".

    He COVERED mid-atmosphere shields. He COVERED the shield arc issue... he COVERED the shields being instantly punctured.
     
  11. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    How does either of these statements even remotely prove the existence of a shield? all it says is they could use the repulsorlift 6 planetary diameters away from the planet, and that they were afraid of being caught in the giant blast from blowing up a planet
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *sighs* I'll talk to my mate, he knows it better than I do.

    For now-

    Hello there, thanks for your question.
    Before George Lucas even made the movies he had a basic storyline of how the 9 movies would be made and what would be shown in each (He decided later not to make the last three movies, but they are in novel form). However he never really fully wrote any of them before Episode IV came out. After the first films were released books were published that told the whole story in the movie. They are available now, on Amazon, under books, type in Star Wars: A New Hope, and the only one there by George Lucas is the one you're looking for. If you type in the names of Episode I and II you can find the books for these movies also.
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, they are not cannon because they are overriden by the movies.

    They can have all the superlasers they want - they'll NEVER bring a co-axial weapon to bear against a nimble Federation starship! Even if they DID, they'd simply channel the energy back via a Corbomite Reflector or, better still, by outputting it thru the shield grid and out the navigational deflector. It'd destroy a lot of the plasma conduits on the ship, but it'd send that superlaser right back at whatever launched it

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  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    As for being predictable (learn to spell you twat) :

    According to the way they are portrayed in the movies, Proton Torpedoes are FAR more powerful than Concussion Missiles... even the video games (which are lesser cannon) back this notion (including Rogue Squadren)

    That website is VERY well founded. I dare you to disprove, with evidence, ONE argument from that site! He compounds his credibility by showing where he is lacking proof and info and asking for the holes to be filled.
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Uhm, are you stupid?

    That's a different fucking episode... Q can go where he wants whenever he wants and be in as many PLACES as he wants at once!

    HE WAS NOT ABOARD WHEN THAT SUPERNOVA HIT! Aight? Unless they SAY he saved the ship, he didn't.

    Stop being a dumbass...
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I've never seen Centerpoint / Galaxy Gun / Suncrusher either... doesn't mean they don't exist.

    Idiot...
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    1) No, they didn't. I have yet to read anything like that.
    2) You can ask some French guy where to find those waffles, he's more liable to PISS on you than help you. Get the gist?
    3) No, it can be any ship - you won't get CRAP from the Federation... they don't just randomly trade... I dont' know about the pathetic IMperial security procedures, but the UFP actually LIKES the notion of "statewide security"
     
  18. Cody Registered Member

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  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    It wasn't... Alderaan was not presenting a Militeristic standing, else there would, obviously, have been SOME ships attempting to defend it.

    Also - the shield was never there... it never "resisted" the attack at all... there was no shield. The atmosphere went "FWOOM" as it was superheated to around six million degrees... that kind of heat energy gives off a fair bit of light my friend...
     
  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Simple reason - The point of impact was the hottest, spreading out from there. The colour is because of the influence of water and other particulate matter int he atmosphere... you DO remember the planet has an atmosphere, right? It's, you know, somewhat important to sustaining life...

    Complex reason - you suck at life, go die. There was no shield, there never was. Watch the scene on DVD, frame by frame. There was no resisting the beam, there was no "delayed" action, the beam hit, the atmosphere lit up, the clouds vaporized, and the planet went BOOM. Cut, Dry, Simple. Stop being retarded...
     
  21. Cody Registered Member

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    Sun Crusher:

    The Sun Crusher was a nearly indestructible craft that was no larger than a starfighter, but was capable of unleashing destruction on a magnitude that dwarfed even the Death Star's capabilities. Unlike the Death Star that destroyed individual planets, the Sun Crusher could destroy an entire star system by causing its star to turn into a supernova. The key to its near invincibility was layered molecular armor, a material so strong that it could resist even turbolaser shots. Han Solo once was able to ram the Sun Crusher straight through the bridge of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer Hydra without taking any significant damage. The Sun Crusher was also equipped with a hyperdrive and was designed to slip unnoticed into a system, fire its weaponry, and then escape before its presence was detected.

    The Sun Crusher's primary weapon was a payload of 11 energy resonance torpedoes. Each torpedo resembled an oval-shaped plasma discharge and was activated when it passed through the Sun Crusher's resonance torpedo launcher. The resonance torpedo then traveled to the system's sun at near-lightspeed velocity.

    Upon impact, the torpedo burrowed into the star's core, releasing dense packets of energy that rendered the star's core unstable, initiating a chain-reaction supernova that forced even low-mass stars to go supernova. The star would be ripped apart in the explosion, sending waves of energy and radiation out across the system that destroyed every planet and all life in its path. The Sun Crusher could obliterate an entire system in mere hours. Once launched into the star, it was impossible to stop the impending supernova.

    The Sun Crusher was then placed deep inside the poisonous atmosphere of the gas giant Yavin, where it was thought that the incredible atmospheric pressures would render the craft inaccessible. However, the young Kyp Durron, now a Jedi adept at Luke Skywalker's Jedi academy at Yavin IV, yet unable to control his hatred of the Empire and influenced by the ancient Dark Lord Exar Kun, retrieved the Sun Crusher from the depths of Yavin. He then destroyed the Cauldron Nebula along with most of Admiral Daala's fleet.

    Then Durron destroyed the Carida system, an Imperial-allied system and the location of the Academy of Carida. However, Exar Kun was destroyed by Kyp's fellow students and he realized what he had done. To redeem himself, Kyp had to destroy the Sun Crusher. He destroyed it during the Battle of the Maw Installation, where it was captured by one of the Maw's black holes. Kyp survived by escaping in a message pod, though he suffered serious injuries in the process.


    Galaxy Gun

    The Galaxy Gun was a 7,250 meter-long tube-shaped space station built above Byss. It was designed to serve as a superweapon capable of firing large, destructive projectiles equipped with particle disintegrator warheads capable of destroying an entire planet. It was also equipped with a hyperdrive and sublight thrusters, but the speed and acceleration of the ship is unknown.

    Each of these projectiles were capable of traveling through hyperspace with a speed equivalent to at least a Class .75 hyperdrive, allowing for quick traversal of interstellar distances and difficulty in detecting them until they struck. Upon exiting hyperspace and homing in on its target, the projectile's automated defenses would activate to deter enemy forces. Automated laser cannon turrets exchanged laser fire with warships while thick armor plating and powerful energy shields deflected even the most advanced ion cannons and turbolasers.

    Having reached its target, powered by the missile's power core, the particle disintegrator warhead exploded, triggering immense nuclear cloud reactions that encircled the targeted world's surface within minutes. At the projectile's full power setting, the nuclear reactions were sustained until all matter had been converted into energy, effectively wiping the planet and its inhabitants off the face of the galaxy. However, there were low power settings allowing them to destroy selected cities and military bases while leaving the rest of the planet untouched.

    In retaliation for the New Republic attack on his citadel and the escape of the surviving Rebels into hyperspace along with a group of smugglers, Palpatine ordered the launch of the first projectile against the New Republic base on Pinnacle Moon.

    Within hours, Pinnacle Moon had been wiped off the face of the Galaxy. However, due to the presence of spies in Byss itself, the New Republic forces along with some of the native Ixlls managed to escape the doomed moon in a fleet of transports.

    Centerpoint Station

    Centerpoint Station had within its mass an extremely intricate collection of systems. The best minds in the galaxy had been studying, mapping, and pondering its workings for ages, but there were still gaping holes in the understanding of its key processes.

    What had been discovered was that the system was capable of generating huge amounts of nuclear, magnetic, electric, tractor beam, and hyperspace generation power for use in a type of "hyperspace tractor beam." The station could project a huge tractor beam through a hyperspace path, grabbing an object as large as a superstar for moving anywhere within its operational range. The station could also harness this power for the destruction of stars and planets, collapsing their cores through massive gravitational fluxes.

    The powerful hyperspace tractor beam arrays consisted of huge conelike structures within the station surrounded by six smaller cones. During the system's operation, this specifically designed geometric array acted as the source of the beam's power.

    Centerpoint doesn't cause Supernovas, it moves entire planets.
     
  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Aight, let me dissect you and your precious Star Wars right now:

    1) ASTEROIDS can take down a ships shields? A ship far, far larger than they are? Asteroids that have a combined impact of MAYBE a few hundred miles per hour? Lovely - we'll just run our ships, which are a hundred times HARDER than asteroids, into you at military impulse, which is nearly 80% the speed of light.

    2) That just means those cruisers had very very weak hulls... and it's the fucking Executor... I HOPE it's stronger than a normal ISD.

    3) Regenerative Shielding and Auto-Modulating shielding was developed by the United Federation of Planets to explicately combat the borg, NAMELY SHIELD DISRUPTION AND BORG TRANPORTER BEAM THRU.

    The collection array dwarfed the Ent-E by the way...
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Uh, no.

    It's Star Trek vs Star Wars... as in the ENTIRE CANNON STORYLINE of Star Trek vs the ENTIRE CANNON STORYLINE of Star Wars.

    If it exists in either side, it fights for that side against the other.

    As the Q exist in Trek, they fight FOR trek... and kick the shit out of anything Star Wars has.
     
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