Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Exterminate!!! Registered Member

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    what if the cast, as in the actual actors, just got in a huge brawl?

    Harrison Ford at Picard?

    Neil Christopher Anderson against Carrie Fisher?
     
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  3. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    it is rather a side effect of trek propulsion. trek shields are derived from their engines containements, structural intergity fields and navigational deflectors. all are based on localised space time distortions. the nav deflector especially was present on the earliest warp ships to prevent the ship from ultra-violet catastrophe sort of speaking. this is acheaved through "curving" the space time around the ship so that the high energy photons (boosted by the space-time compression/lengthening) go around it. so by default no em-based weapon can go through this deflector no matter how powerfull as long as its incoming vector is dead ahead of the ship. the regular deflector shields work in the same general principle (this is why the bubble goes visible when impact ocurs) with the difference that this localised distrortion can be generated anywhere around the ship.

    now, the problem here is that when all of the shield grid is active at the same time it consumes lot of energy, eventually causing the shield generators to fail. so if a fed ship (or any alpha/beta quadrant ship i know of) gets smacked with lasers from all/many sides at once this will eventually cause the shields to fail by overload. the time needed for such a feat could range from hours to days, depending on the target performance and the conditions in which the battle is joined. it should be noted that the energy levels of the laser is not relevant to the time required, but rather the beams hitting the bubble at the same time and the time of exposure. in other words, all you need is to just get the laser powerfull enough so the shield would consider it a threat and then conserve the rest of your energy.

    good luck in holding the ship still and surounded for all that time though. laying a siedge on an active target would require extreame superiority in numbers AND some form of a tractor beam. even in such conditions the fed vessel will still be fully combat capable and firing like mad at you.
     
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  5. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    a mud wrestling duel perhaps? :m:
     
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  7. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Eeeuw!
    Unless Tasha Yar is involved, of course...

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  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    the problem is, that "theoretical max" is far, far behind the curve of Trek shielding... a hundred lasers at their maximum impacting the shields of the Enterprise-E would have a negligible effect, if any... and remember, newer ships have regenerative shielding, allowing them to last much, much longer.
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    They are highly attracted to warp drives (as voiced in a few TNG episodes and ST: Insurrection) - going to Warp from Impulse would cause the tear to "jump" to you an absorb the warp field, tearing your ship asunder

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  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Considering Patrick Stewart is actually quite buff... I think he'd kick Harrison Ford's ass... lol.
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Not only that... but consider that regenerative shielding systems have backup generators on standby to allow the primary's to "stand down" and recharge... plus the newer, smaller warships with tighter shield profiles would be FAR less affected by this... the shields on the Defiant are very tough (maybe 70% as tough as the Sovereign) but her profile is MUCH smaller...
     
  12. Exterminate!!! Registered Member

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    And we're all forgetting Doctor Who...

    or is that not a valid universe?
     
  13. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    So i guess that means my lascannons and plasma cannons are so powerful against shields, that it is more efficient to use hull armor than shields. Ergo, there is a lot more power than you feds would think is possible.
     
  14. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Im talking about your massive fed cruisers not ir tiny little life boats.
     
  15. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Im not saying that to probe thaqt the feds are weak im just saying in general that would be a pretty good weapon idea.

    And also, even if lascannons are weak against shields, a few hundred of them pounding the enterprise's shields will still rip them apart in a short amount of time. And when that inevitably happens, the enterprise will be at the mercy of the lascannons or of boarding parties.
     
  16. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    My point was that he was talking as if he had analyzed the relative strength of both, and concluded that trek shields were better, when in fact he hadn't. He has no evidence either way.
    Do you actually know anything about optics? There is no upper limit to the energy of a photon. Gamma rays are the most energetic photons commonly seen in nature, but that doesn't mean it's theoretically impossible for higher energy photons to exist. And of course, you can always deliver more energy by using more photons of a given wavelength. Your microwave oven uses very low energy photons, but it still manages to heat the hell out of stuff.
    When did they ever show 600+ federation ships? Give me a reference.
     
  17. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Where are you guys getting this bullshit? Have you ever taken a physics class? THERE IS NO UPPER LIMIT TO THE ENERGY OF A PHOTON. The fact that the Feds can't build powerful laser weapons doesn't mean that powerful laser weapons are impossible, or that laser weapons couldn't be a threat to Fed ships. The only time we've ever even seen the Feds threatened by lasers, it was from a weakling race with tiny ships and primitive technology. You have zero evidence that Fed ships can withstand 40k lascannons.
     
  18. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    The fact is that they can't, and also, even if you can muster 9 million ships for the feds which only 1,000 of which are combat vessels, the rest beign transport and other ships that are just cannon fodder, your still facing off against 39 million SM vessels a few hundred million Imperial vessels and around a billion vessels including every other race.
     
  19. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Nasor, Kitt also thinks that they can teleport a titan, what a fucking joke.
     
  20. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    More like 30-40 thousand SM vessels. I believe it's an average of 30-40 ships per chapter times 1000 chapters. They don't let the marines have many ships, because they don't want them to be able to do too much damage if they go rogue. And the ships are mostly crewed by personnel from the the navy, so if a chapter starts to go all heretic they won't even be able to use their own ships - hopefully the officers and crew will refuse to follow the SM's orders if the chapter goes over to chaos or something.

    The imperium pretty afraid of their own marines, which is why they break them up into relatively small 1000 man chapters. (Can't really blame them given their history though...)
     
  21. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    i wonder how they ever hope to escape the 1000 tractorbeams of the ds2. combine that with lets say 1/4 of it's tl's (being a globe it can't fire all at the same target) and about 12000tie's swurling around. and ofcourse a DS is always acompanied with his fleet of isd's ( fleet is considered 5 ISD's and 1 gravewellprojector) and ofcourse al the tie's from those vessels.

    A st ship will be going nowhere and fire upon thousands of thimes every second. mhhhh don't see this going on for an hour. and still the ds can finaly use his superlaser if it's getting on Vador's nerves

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  22. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    How do they compare for range?
    http://battlefleet-gothic.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons_Battery

    15,000 km sounds pretty damn short to me.
    0.05 light-seconds

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  23. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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