Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Scott, provide proof to the contrary please.
     
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  3. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Last I checked, Lasers are pure energy....
    Wow... even a third grader should know that!
     
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  5. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    The Rakatans explored much of the known galaxy before hyperspace, suggesting an alternate FTL.

    Umm.. yeah...
    I believe you have been proven wrong by your own cohorts?
    All sources prove that the Rakatans were the first with Hyperdrives and they ENSLAVED all the species and when they fell, the other species, including humans, got the hyperdrives... Correlia was one of the first to get it from the Rakatans...


    The Rakatans enslaved the entire galaxy.
    All species since are/ were slaves of them except teh Sith Species, which are basically extinct.

    Resemble? Maybe.
    But the change in power is virtually nil.
    Except for the superlasers

    Ok, I forgot.
    You are right... Sorry.
    But that does not negate the fact that they had some form of intra-galactic travel for 65 MILLION YEARS..
    That is MILLIONS more than the Rakatans, who are extinct.


    Bigger ship = bigger engines= faster speed.
    In Warp/ Transwarp, matter does not slow anything down...
    As long as the ship can fit in the Warp bubble/ transwarp tunnel.


    Hmm...
    c. 27,000 BBY vs. 65 million years for Voth?
    hmm...
    XXX BBY (X = anything > 0) vs. Before Creation for Q?
    I believe ST DOES have older civs...



    We win without the video games anyway.
    Seriously TWScott...
    give up
     
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  7. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Wow, so you are third grader. Well, lasers are coherent (practically solid) bolts of photons traveling in the same direction, every college educated human knows that.

    BTW Photons are matter in case you wonder
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, the universe only seemed to form 7.5 billion BBY. 0BY is 2.2 billions years before the earth was created. So SW is ~6.7 billion years older than the Voth. in fact older than any civilization or race they have shown are talked about in Star Trek.

    However you would be incorrect in assuming the Voth had FTL travel the whole time. In fact they may have had and lost the capability of FTL several times over 65 million years. Also the Rakata are still not exitinct as of the Sith/GA war.
     
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  9. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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  10. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    You cant use any species not in canon.
    Meaning, who cares that the stuff is older?
    it wont be in the battle since it isnt mentioned.
     
  11. Saquist Banned Banned

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    wrong...
    Photon's are a force carrier boson for the electromagnetic force. last I checked EM was massless. Photons convey light and other EM spectral energy.
     
  12. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    The Vulcans had their own version of the Prime Directive.
    The Humans had to develop their own technology on their own.
    Notice in ST: ENT, the fastest Warp ship for the humans was Warp 5 while the Vulcan SCIENCE vessels, not scouts or warships, could do Warp ~7.5...

    Nobody knows what the Q really is, but they indicated that given enough time, humans in particular can evolve into a species MUCH stronger than even the Q...
    "I have unlimited control over space, matter and time" -Q2"
    Unlimited + more = Even better.
    Too bad we have not seen many evolved humans.
    For all we know, the humans evolved into the Q, went back in time, and forgot who they were...
     
  13. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    I concede that videogames are not canon.
    You cant use the Star Forge now... Imagine infinite ships made from the mass of the star..
    Too bad...
    Was going to give you a chance.
    You also cant use Darth Nihilius, who can kill entire worlds.
     
  14. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    doesn't this ST vs SW conclude all canon materal and persons?
    If you can't use persons heck there's not much left in sw. Just a wimp called luke.:bugeye:
    But then you can't use enterprise-d eighter because it was destroyed.

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

    As was enterprise e nearly. ?

    Afther all wars on both Universes what's left to battle against eachother.:shrug:
     
  15. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Exactly Vasago!
    Both Death Stars were destroyed...
    The Imperials were destroyed...
    If you get to keep all your old toys and your heroes who died, then we get to do that too.
    That means Soran can stay. Kirk's son can stay, ant other too.
    The Genesis device can destroy all life on any single planet with one blast the size of a torpedo...
    Seriously... SW loses both ways.
    The Death Star can only be at two places at once... And the second one wasnt proven to be able to destroy planets at the time of its destruction. Only capital ships...
     
  16. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Basically, this.
    1. Use Voth Transphasic Cloaks to get past planetary shields,
    2. use Genesis Device
    3. Leave
    Thus, a planet is rid of all life.
     
  17. Wisconsin Crippler Registered Member

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    Holy crap, 214 pages dedicated to Star Wars vs. Star Trek?? I don't know whats worse, the fact there is that much to be written about, or that I am morbidly curious to actually read the whole f'in thing. Christ, I just figured with the Q, that pretty much settled it.
     
  18. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    Well, TWScott is being an idiot.
    Plus, many of the pages had to do with Dune, Stargate, Babylon 5, etc.
     
  19. Wisconsin Crippler Registered Member

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    That makes it even worse......
     
  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Certianly you can have Soren, you do realize he is a detriment to the ST side as he will do anything to get into the nexus and no ST ship could survive the trip. Empire sells him one Lambda Shuttle for the device, which by the way they already have smaller more efficent version of.

    David can stay too, but David would never hand over Genesis, not even to save his life. Prying it from his mind might not work, either. His mother knew what he did, but was unable to duplicate it

    Besides if ST had Geneis they would have used it long before this war ever started. The simple truth is they don't have it.

    Yes, the Death Star can be at two places at once, and Fool is simmply being a bigger fool to think the second could not destroy planets, it was by all admission much more powerful. However destroy a planet then one hour trip, destroy a planet, and keep doing that and the Federation would nothing more than a collection of starships in two weeks.

    Plus there is the Galaxy gun which can destroy planets from light years away. Oh and imagine the Starforge pumping thousands of suncrushers......
     
  21. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    1: We have no proof that transphasic would work through shields of any kind. Using the borg as proof is a nonproof as any weapon used against the borg at first penetrates their shields.

    2: Assuming that the Voth would get David to build one, provided he could again.

    3. Of course this assumes you some how dropped the device and it phased back in and was not destroyed.
     
  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Small problem the Star Forge and Darth Nihilius are mentioned in other literature. Thus they have a presence in canon. See, that is the fun of this. SW recognizes that a game must have some indiscrepencies and out right alterations from canon to be balanced and playable. I mean who wants to be playing a game where your X-Wing stands no chance against a Star Destroyer?
     
  23. FoolFromHell Photons be Free. Registered Senior Member

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    If threatened at this magnitude and David was still alive, the Federation would use the Genesis Device to destroy enemy worlds.
    The Federation has not been on the offensive for many centuries.
    Using the Genesis device on the Death Star wont be that bad of a strategy...
    The Transphasic cloak bypassed Voyager shields without disturbances...
    And you say that SW and ST shields are similar... well then the transphasic cloak could pass through it easily.
    The Star Forge doesnt exist outside of video games, which are not canon.
    "Yes, the Death Star can be at two places at once"
    And how?
    The second Death Star didnt have its own shields and was destroyed before it was completed. Its finished form might have been able to do more than the 1st one, but it didnt... It was NOT finished.
    Soran was an El-Aurian. That means that there must be other El-Aurians capable of what he did.
    They can help the Federation quite easily...
    Voth transphasic cloaks + Soran/ Genesis device = Nightmare.
    Or use the transphasic cloak on Bioships...
    Or even without transphasic cloaks, the Bioships can pull out of Fluidic Space inside the shield of a planet/ starship, and destroy it.
    If 8 Bioships = Planet, then less than 2 = Death Star.
     
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