Star Wars vs Star Trek

Heh, this is true Challenger, but not as important as the fact that Star Wars is extinct by the time Trek rolls around.

Even if wars WERE by some silly paradox more powerful than trek, they're all dead.

 

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Hey TWScott.
The Republic was formed 15,000 BBY or somewhere around there. Yes?

 

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25,000 bby

 

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Actually, given that the ship was facing someone who could screw over physics and mess with what their sensors saw, its not impossible that what Worf said was inaccurate.

Given that UFP firepower seems to be incredibly much higher than what we saw in that episode, claiming that it's as high as the ship can go is actually just stupid. I mean, if you want to play with information that's not 100% assured, lets go to The Die is Cast, in which we see the forty ships destroying 30% of the planet's crust in the first shot.

What do you mean when you say that Disrupters are as wide as photons? Also, we only have screen evidence of that one beam being declared a laser, and it was within some sort of tractor beam, which may have rendered it useless to the Deflector Dish. Of course, assuming that isn't the case, Worf himself said it was some kind of laser, he wasn't very specific and it hardly matters if a laser did cut through them, since it has nothing to do on actual firepower.

 

Okay, some things here.

First, what fireball are we speaking of? As in the one that hit the station? Keep in mind that Luke is likely striking at areas that can cause some sort of damage to the station, not just blasting at the station for the sake of shooting at it. Thus, you have to keep in mind that he might have triggered a larger explosion with his shots.

Also, if x-wings had megaton weaponry, they could have easily destroyed the AT-ATs with it, seeing as they where clearly low in the levels of firepower they dished out.

 

Tri-Cobalts in Star Trek are Sub-Space Weapons, they give off a high yield, but they cause damage to sub-space, and that causes problems. Thus they where banned. Apparently it was just between the Romulans and the UFP, but it seemed to spread to the AQ just because the big groups decided it (not unrealistic), but apparently, a few groups still do use these weapons, an example being the aliens (forget their names) from Star Trek 9.

It's very doubtful that it would create a wormhole, though the UFP has been working on stable wormhole tech, as seen in a early DS9 episode.

 

Actually, the UFP is really on point with quality.

Er...no. Remember Japan? The country the USA fucked up with a nuke? Yeah, that was in the kilitons...if you suggest that a Tie Fighter can dish out that much energy, then why in the hell was the rebel base so hard to take down? Just send a mass of Tie fighters down and adjust their firepower to take out the generator...but no, they had to use an exceptionally large AT-AT to get the job done, very strange.

Actually, Photon torps are on average, built for a yield of up to 50 megatons or so. I know Star Wars fans who would laugh in your face for claiming that a photon is only 25 tons, or that a quantum is at best kiloton. And what of wars shields never failing under radiation? Its not that big of a deal.

Wrong, only X-Wings have shown this ability, Tie fighters can't travel long distances.

Ugh. No, transporters are hardly a liability. In fact, the reason why they go off so much is from the simple fact that they aren't a vital system, so its not meant to hold up under have fire. That way, people can still breath, or aren't reduced to paste so that the transporters can be online.

And another thing, where is the proof of Turbolasers holding so much firepower? Mind putting up a little evidence for me?

First of all, the armor doesn't make transporters worthless, unless you have evidence that it indeed does protect against transporters. And furthermore, do you realise what would happen if you started beaming these people into space? They would die. Not that the UFP would do that, but they could also beam in gas, or anything else, or even small bombs in areas.

Not that anyone would actually care to stop in the middle of a battle and beam aboard one of these ships when they can just bomb it...

 

btw TIE defenders can use hyperdrive so can ARC-170s skiprays A-wings B-wings Y-wings V-wings the Firespray class and many others but true most ties cant do hyperspace Oh and Driod fighters

 

TIE defender would seem to, however, the wings would be more inclined to have them on the account that they are used by the Rebels. They can't keep together with large ships all the time and they need a way to get off the battlefiled faster than what re-loading them into the bay could offer. However, that said, TIE fighters would not have it on the account they travel in large ISDs, where as the wings don't do nearly as often. The TIE Defender is a bit strange, perhaps used for more planet to planet defense, or even on cruisers where they have a less dependancy upon their ships?

 

All i can really tell you is that Tie Defenders were made for Elite pioltes it has been used in many assults very well made ship

 

I can try to find the stats and everything for it if you like

 

The Tie's focuse on agility and speed, and though they seem to have little or no shielding, they are still fighters. Granted, a hyperdrive would be nice, but its hardly a problem when you have a large battleship with you that can carry many of them. Its not unusual in any way to do it like that.

No need to look up any stats, either way they get from point A to point B in said time frame.

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Do Transporters have a hard time geting past thick hulls and whatnot?

 

Not often. Some exotic hulls have blocked it, but this doesn't mean that all hulls will stop it, in fact, most of these hulls are made with blocking transporters in mind. SW hulls hardly seem like the type to keep transporters out, but it hardly matters. In a battle, save for technobabble or the crew pulling something out of their ass, transporters are never used in battle. The reason because is that transporters are a non-vital system, thus are one of the first things to go offline since their system has the least protection. Its really only good for boarding.

A thick enough hull would work, but it would need to be about a few miles thick as far as armor goes...not going to happen in most cases.

Why would anyone even suggest transporters for tactical weapons anyhow?:shrug:

 

For beaming people into space

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Beam the bridge crew and gunners out of their posts and you effectively render the ship harmless.

Only a few hulls have been able to block the transporters and even then those hulls or materials were designed with blocking transporters in mind. Most of the time it only worked for a short while.

Why would Star Trek hulls be able to block Transporters? It's a technology that, to my knowledge, they have never encountered in this form. Thus they have no reason to defend against it and they have no reason to even know what it is.

Thank you HellBlade8. It's nice to see another face of reality around here to help balance out Scott's insanity.

 

Well, I see your point, but its hardly a UFP ideal to beam people into space. Now, the Romulans or the Klingons? Yeah, they might do it, but even then its not exactly the best tactic. Its closer to a waist of time unless you want to capture a ship, since at that point, their shields are down and you can just blast them with a torp...or use a tractor beam to send a astroid right at their bridge.

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I doubt Star Wars shields would block Star Trek transporters for long- after all, without a harmonics frequency it's only a matter of time until an opening is found.

 

Meh, its still a waste of time really. If they have to make windows to fire out of, a quick phaser shot will be much better. The borg would make use of that though, as would the Dominion (though actually they can beam through shields).

Oh, and as for that thing with Voyager and the low Isotone yield, or the Enterprise D with the gigawatt incident, I would like to point to how in DS9, they planted a bomb that created an explosion so large, it would take out everything within 800 kilometers (unshielded), though they took some part of the blast themselves, they managed to survive with only a lost warp matrix (actuallly very bad, but they got to live.

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And that's in addition to The Die is Cast where a group of Warbirds and Cardassian warships (40 of them) took out 30% of a planet's crust in their opening volly.

 

Yeah, why not just take a cloaked Defiant class ship, beam a tri-cobalt device into every SW ship and run like hell. Decloak as they leave just to let the poor imperials take a few blind-shots and see what blew em' up.

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Although there was that asteroid field on ESB, coming back to that igneos thing with granite, let me tell you something most asteroids are LEFT OVER after the creation of the universe. (And regarding the sheilds on an ISD, how come it was simply destroyed in an asteroid flield if its sheilds were so good?) I don't see your sources and equations for the watt output of a turbolaser.