Translation & Muslims

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  1. azizbey kodummu oturturum Registered Senior Member

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    according to tradition, Kaba was built by Adam, the first human and prophet, and then rebuilt by Abraham and rebuilt at the same location by many others.
    it had been existed way before Muhammad (pbuh)
    the reason muslims perform prayers in arabic, is that to create common ground among muslims, and even if you go to a mosque in any other country, of course when you do your personal prayers, use any language you want.
    inside of Kaaba i empty, it is a cube shape building , (kaaba means cube in arabic) it is where all muslims face during prayer, but it is not the building is worshipped, that would be blasphemy
    Allah , as one God, existed in pre Mohammad (pbuh) times, of course, it is the God of Abraham, Davis, Jesus, Moses, Adam, etc... as muslims believes
    Allah doesnt have any family members.
    hope i answered your "honest"questions
    regards
     
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  3. interesting, so according to what Islamic tradition says, that would by inductive reasoning, mean that the Hiraz was the site of the Garden of Eden?

    Interesting, which would also mean that that was the site of man’s fall from grace, the site of man’s first sin, the area now punished by God as a desert, but that explains the oil, buried beneath the sands are the remnants of the Garden of Eden, turned into oil, that we burn, burning what God had made as a help for mankind, because of our sins becomes instead a burnt offering to the devil, condemning ourselves with greenhouse gases to global warming that will help destroy our civilization, thus full circle, we are cast once again from ‘eden’ into hell
     
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  5. that would make kabaa pretty old, that would also place Adam in Arabia
    Problem=” according to tradition, Kaba was built by Adam”, that is a wonderful fantastic claim, but a tradition, how would we know that it did not just follow the tradition of men?
    Problem= kabaa has been rebuilt many times, what was the original structure? Is there any remnant? Or was the entire original destroyed, no evidence?
    Problem= Adam is not considered a prophet, otherwise he would not have listened to Eve & sinned, he was only a man

    there is no evidence that Abraham ever made it that far south, why are the tombs of the patriarchs up near Hebron in Israel? Abraham was not a good father, he abandoned his firstborn Ishmael, as a favor to his favorite wife, her son Yitzhak = “Laughter”
    It may have been by tradition Adam’s sanctuary, but why was it called kabaa (cube), & not Haram Masjid al-Adom,? So, was the tradition before Mohammad or after?

    that a sanctuary existed there, is no doubt, the doubt is to who was it dedicated in the first place? And thereafter until Mohammad came along?

    But you may need to see it from the point of view of a conquered people, when islam first came into the world, it was a peaceful religion, but after the Hijra Mohammad used his newly acquired power to rob the Meccan caravans, then the sword was islam’s first mission statement, its missionaries , the generals:
    ahh, but looks like at least 5 acts of blasphemy are dome by many pilgrims, apparently under the noses of the religious authorities; kiss the stone, pray at the graves of Ishmael & Hagar, look at the footprints of Abraham, throw stones at the ‘devil’ and worship at a pagan site
    none of those ever spoke of allah; Abraham knew God as Elohim, El Elyon, Moses & David as YHWH, Yahweh, or in English “ I AM”, Jesus called Him Abba. Why did no Jew or early Christian ever name their child; Abdullah, or Mohammad ( a name some say was never used until Mohammad came along, that supposedly means “Praised” in arabic, is that true?)

    Christisns & Jews have many ancient samples of the Bible that are witnesses to that, over 600 years prior to Mohammad, see below

    Dead Sea Scrolls:
    http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/Library/library.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
    http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/scrolls/

    But he did, it was a messy divorce, Mecca had to be subdued by force, then the rest of the Arabian Peninsula, before the divorce was enforced by the Ridda wars
    also, that’s why the term “satanic verses” has been around prior to Salmon Rushdie, because in a moment of weakness Mohammad gave into the Meccans.
    Yes, I know that you gave “honest” answers, the ones you know are true. But how do you know for sure that they are true? How do you test them or other items? What is truth? hope they are, not just traditional anwsers you had to memorize?

    If you say, “because it is in the quran”, how do you know that it is true, there are errors in it & for something from allah that supposedly there is a ”Mother of the Book” in heaven, my question would be how do you believe a book that has been altered, edited & still has errors, could that be from God? Like; the Horned-one, where the sun sets, who is Mary related to, what Christians & Jews really believe, what Jesus’ name is, what God’s name is, just to start.
     
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