Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Isn't that dome the center of their shields, because the officer yelled that their shields had buckled in exact correspondence to the destruction of that dome? If so, why would a shield generator of what should be on the inside of the shields be left vulnrable on the outshide of the shields and prone to enemy fire?

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  3. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Mike Wong does it best.

     
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  5. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    The offer was speaking of the BRIDGE shields, not over all shielding, which was pretty much pounded to wisps long beofre the Dome was destroyed.

    Of course you're confused, you're listening to Saguist and Kittamaru. Those two could argue for a week about what color pure water is.

    The sensor and communications domes are not part of any shield grid excepot their own. They are mere;y the ships tracking and communications array. Of course damage to them would compomise firing accuracy and with all that shorting out hapeening it probably was the last straw in the horribly over strained Bridge deflectors.
     
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  7. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    But still, I've seen a readout that an Imperial class star destroyer can produce over 12 gigatons of kenetic energy in one turbo laser blast. But that would be enough to destroy a planet on its own. No offence, but sometimes SW fans can be a little full of themselves.
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    First off all there is always weight, even in microgravity, just ask your physics professor.

    Second MASS is unaffected by gravity. Mass is what determines inertia

    The Jem'hdar fighter was only ~ninety meters long and like most vessels was a lot of pen spacce.

    Finally The Odessey was pretty much dead in space when the craft hit the manin deflector making it go up in a spectacular flash and then taking the warpcore with it.


    BTW and ISD is intelligent design can a Galaxy or Sovereign class ship land and take off from a planet? Even the Executor can pull that off.
     
  9. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    We translate mass to tons as it is a nice constant. Since mass never changes, short of scifi wizardy, it's a good yardstick

    BTW in one G the Enterprise D would be 4 million tons.
     
  10. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sorry, but I've never seen the Empire invest in anything scientific without gaining a large tactical advantage in the end. I find this highly unbelivable (and it's obviously not canon).
     
  11. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Sadly, I'm not into physics as much as my best friend, on a completely unrelated topic.
     
  12. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Of coarse a Sorvereign or Galaxy class ship couldn't land, their not made to do so. But I don't see how an Executor class ship could land.
     
  13. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    God, are you optimistic

    Okay Death Star appears above Earth and sends down a transmission so powerful it blows out COmmunications array in Star fleet headquaters. Geordi recognizes the wave pattern and routes it to a Holodeck. The comminique is simple, surrender or Earth is destroyed. They have five minutes to decide. Immediately the admiralty calls for an attack. Spacedock's heavy Phasers start firing and they luancher a hundred Photon torpedoes, only to watch the impacts mean nothing to the Spacestation. Ground batteries are firing, again to no effect. Ships pour out of Spacedock, racing towards the Battlestation at full impulse. The Death Star responds by firing it main weapon, Earth lasts another fraction of a second. Then the THOUSANDS of 12.5 gigaton heavy turbloasers start tearing apart the fleet. These weapons are hundreds of times more powerful than a warp core breach.

    Thus endeth the lesson.
     
  14. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    What are you stoned? When wouldn't being able to generate massive amounts of power be a tactical advantage?
     
  15. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Uhhhh... Let me just say this, location is a very important asset.
     
  16. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    I can't see why an intellighet engineer would design a series of ships that copuld not land and take off again. Crash landing a saucer should not be the only contigency plan.
     
  17. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    And 12.5 gigatons of lasers? Honestly, who comes up with this? The DS's suface lasers are 12.5 gigatons of energy? What if one of their officers were to miss? Hmmmmmm? Accedenly miss the target and hit a friendly god-knows-what?
     
  18. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Geez, haven't your heard of the intrepid class?
     
  19. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Not so fast, even if the HQ's sensors weren't working the star ships would scan for weak points and sure enough, BINGO!

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  20. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Um... If they were really that good of a design, wouldn't they have made them better capable of menuverable combat speeds? Slow and bulky.:m:
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Ships that can land on planets:

    Norway, Defiant, Intrepid, Akira, Galaxy Saucer Section, Excelsior, and many others. They all have landing struts (or at least features that have no other reasonable explanation based on Voyager and TNG's shots)

    That and why land when you can simply mass-beam?

    If the raw power output of the DS's reactor was ONLY that of a mini star... consider that it was stated outright that Starbase 001 has the raw energy output of a supernova.

    Also- you never commented on speed. Voyager, The 27, it was SAID BY PARIS that the ship, at warp 9.9, hit 990 BILLION MILES PER SECOND.

    Hyperspace is slow by comparison.

    Nor the fact that Trek would simply shoot down your kinetic blasters (your own statements scott)
     
  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, and Scott-

    you wouldn't even enter the energy rift without shield harmonics. Stated in TOS.
     
  23. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Right, scan through shields more powerful than anything you have seen before and through a thick layer on nuetronium impregnated super dense metals. Not to mention understand the readings you are getting. It took BLUEPRINTS of the Death Star to find the first one's weak point. The second one would not have had it if it were completed.
     
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