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Bishadi
just another person (2,603 posts)
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11-07-09, 06:09 PM
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11 October 2009
You Still Walk Amongst Judges, Prophet Darwin!
Robert Deyes
When I looked under the microscope for the first time I saw the absolute need for humility in the face of Nature. I do not know if there is a God but what I do know is that man is no substitute. These were the words of Professor Challenger in Tony Mulhollands and Adrian Hodgess screen adaptation of Sir Arthur Conan Doyles The Lost World, as he prepared for an adventure that would take him into the deepest parts of the Brazilian Amazon in search of prehistoric life
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http://www.uncommondescent.com/intel...rophet-darwin/
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Clearly there is much to be debated. It seems somewhat ironic therefore that the births of both Darwin and Conan Doyle should be brought together in a co-celebration of scientific and literary achievement (Ref 2). After all unlike Conan Doyles Challenger, Darwin quite clearly continues to walk amongst his own judges
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Does that mean, he lives?
is the big "D" a prophet?
are we supposed to say, "for the good of aaaaaaaaaaal mennnnnnnnn"....
and then feed a mockingbird, in his memory?
what's the creed?
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baftan
Registered Senior User (460 posts)
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11-07-09, 07:33 PM
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In religion, a prophet is a person who has been contacted by, or has encountered, the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other humans.The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.
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This is the definition of "prophet" in Wikipedia. According to that:
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is the big "D" a prophet?
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question gets the answer of the big "NO"...
If you come up with other kind of definition for prophet or prophecy, please explain your criteria and logic alongside the definition. So we can scrutinize it.
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baftan
Registered Senior User (460 posts)
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11-08-09, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 786 Darwin didn't discover Natural Selection, its a common sense concept to which he simply gave the words "natural selection".
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Did prophets discover the "divine creation", or did they just give the words?
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786
Searching for Truth (1,285 posts)
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11-08-09, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by baftan Did prophets discover the "divine creation", or did they just give the words?
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There is a difference in my eyes between discovery and common sense. Some things are truly discoveries, natural selection is not one of them.
Anyways its just my opinion, no reason to debate this.
Peace be unto you
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baftan
Registered Senior User (460 posts)
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11-08-09, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 786 There is a difference in my eyes between discovery and common sense.
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Is "divine creation" a discovery or common sense?
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earth
Registered Senior User (895 posts)
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11-08-09, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 786 Darwin didn't discover Natural Selection, its a common sense concept to which he simply gave the words "natural selection".
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It was not until the emergence of the modern evolutionary synthesis from the 1930s to the 1950s that a broad consensus developed that natural selection was the basic mechanism of evolution. Darwin was the pioneer.
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Michael
kabuki theater (10,239 posts)
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11-08-09, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 786 There is a difference in my eyes between discovery and common sense. Some things are truly discoveries, natural selection is not one of them.
Anyways its just my opinion, no reason to debate this.
Peace be unto you
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Originally Posted by earth It was not until the emergence of the modern evolutionary synthesis from the 1930s to the 1950s that a broad consensus developed that natural selection was the basic mechanism of evolution. Darwin was the pioneer.
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I've read that Arab philosophers were interested and discussed ideas very similar to natural selection. BUT they excluded humans from this process. Nonetheless they thought other animals may have arisen in some evolutionary-like manner.
I'd love to know more about these ideas. Any good books?
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earth
Registered Senior User (895 posts)
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11-08-09, 01:57 AM
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In 1831, Darwin began a scientific voyage lasting 5 years. On the voyage, Darwin read Lyell's ' Principles of Geology' which suggested that the fossils found in rocks were actually evidence of animals that had lived many thousands or millions of years ago.
Darwin worked on his theory for 20 years. After learning that another naturalist, Alfred Russel Wallace, had developed similar ideas, the two made a joint announcement of their discovery in 1858. In 1859 Darwin published 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection'.
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786
Searching for Truth (1,285 posts)
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11-08-09, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by earth It was not until the emergence of the modern evolutionary synthesis from the 1930s to the 1950s that a broad consensus developed that natural selection was the basic mechanism of evolution. Darwin was the pioneer.
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Sure, but you are talking about natural selection as a basic mechanism of evolution- the link between natural selection and evolution is not common sense. But natural selection as process itself is common sense.
Peace be unto you
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786
Searching for Truth (1,285 posts)
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11-08-09, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by baftan Is "divine creation" a discovery or common sense?
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I think it is common sense, the difference is we don't accept it easily so people need to come and remind us- that is what the prophet does.
Peace be unto you
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baftan
Registered Senior User (460 posts)
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11-08-09, 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 786 I think it is common sense
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So it's basically nonsense. So people tend to forget, and someone reminds them the nonsense, then people forget about it again.
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Bishadi
just another person (2,603 posts)
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11-08-09, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Actually he was more than a Prophet - he was a Scientist
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brilliant.
ie...... most don't lie about where the information came; they just reporting what they learned.
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swarm
Registered Senior User (4,209 posts)
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11-08-09, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bishadi is the big "D" a prophet?
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No.
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Bishadi
just another person (2,603 posts)
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11-08-09, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 786 There is a difference in my eyes between discovery and common sense. Some things are truly discoveries, natural selection is not one of them.
Anyways its just my opinion, no reason to debate this.
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you just opened up an underlying theme i had not seen before in this context (natural selection)
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Wiki.......... Natural selection is the process by which heritable traits that make it more likely for an organism to survive and successfully reproduce become more common in a population over successive generations.
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in which that definition from wiki, is sharing quite and opposition to random mutation but the combined words "natural selection" make it seem as if it is
here is the contrast
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Wiki .........Darwin's theory
In 1859, Charles Darwin set out his theory of evolution by natural selection as an explanation for adaptation and speciation. He defined natural selection as the "principle by which each slight variation [of a trait], if useful, is preserved".
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in which the change, can be environmentally caused
the idea of random is believed, as the 'cause' is unknown......
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Bishadi
just another person (2,603 posts)
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11-08-09, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ScaryMonster
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I'll put one on my car!
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i would Love to see them all over the place
ie... Darwin ...........won!
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