Star Wars vs Star Trek

i must say right from the start, that i never got past the Devine Emperor of Dune book. after that the books got to far off the original concept and i lost interest. especially the newer books, not written by Frank himself. so from my limited knowlidge of Dune, here is what follows:

1. the lasers in Dune might be a diferent light spectrum emitters, but neighter phasers/disruptors or turbolaser/laser blasters are light. they both apear to be particle or plasma based weapons. and neighter of them operate on the Holtzman effect which is what is stated to cause the violent reaction of shields and lasers in Dune. especially since the shields in Dune don't stop slow objects, we can deduce for sure that they are fundamentaly diferent then the shields in ST.
2. torpedoes, missiles and other warheads in both ST and SW as well as ion cannons in SW won't suffer from Holtzman's efect. the missile weapons in both SW and ST can be launched at slower speeds, just enough to penetrate Dune's shields.

hence another aproach will be required.

 

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Centerpoint will crush the fleet into the size of a paperclip. Problem solved. They can make more centerpoint stations using the Star Forge.

 

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They can fire the Centerpoint Station on them, they will be crushed into the size of a paperclip.

 

Are you daft...

two ships collide, half of each destroyed... Star Wars

two ships collide, one takes mild damage to the fore decks, one takes severe damage to it's weapons conrol and NOTHING ELSE... Star Trek

tell me, friend, which is the stronger hull?

 

No it won't...

1) THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANNON! KEEP IT REAL OR WE WILL CALL IN NON-CANNON FROM TREK! Trust me, you do NOT want that!

2) Centerpoint would never HARM starfleet vessels at all... those missiles would be quickly destroyed upon exiting hyperspace! And then there's the fact we've already shown that our shield grids would survive those with ease!

3) Star Forge will be eaten by a doomsday machine... takes care of THAT problem. BTW - doomsday machine is covered in REAL neutronium, so ANY weapon based on an energy form is USELESS.

 

They collided in HYPERSPACE, and both have shields on, and life support and the left over systems are still online. Both of them are about the same size ( Kilometer-long ).

 

1) Acording to my qoutes, it is perfectly canon.
2)Centerpoint don't fire missiles, it can crush Netron stars into the size of a pancake.
3) Acording to my sources, Durasteel have neutronium in it. The only way to destroy the Star Forge is my self-destruct.
4)Centerpoint can just crush the doomsday device
5) Even without the Centerpoint and Star Forge, Open Circle Fleet and Death Squadron can take Romulan/Klingon/ Federation fleet
6) Centerpoint does not use any weapons based on energy

 

lol that was scientific :bugeye:

 

excuse me for being ignorant, but what's the big deal of they colided in hypespace?

 

by starforge, do you mean like the one in Knights of the Old Republic?

 

Somebody said that raming work perfectly aginst Star Wars.

 

Yah. Revan self-destructed it to destroy it.

 

who said that in the first place? and why hyperspace? what's the catch?

 

I don't know. I said that the only case that did alot of damage is in Clone Wars, when two kilomter long ships collided in hyperspace.

 

ah, ok then.

 

If Star Trek do use big fleets, Star Wars will have alot of advantage. If Star Trek use small fleets, they will be destroyed by Star Wars fleets.

 

So, you say the Invisible hand is a battleship?

And it still has horrible hull compared to a light cruiser of the Federation?

 

It broke in to because of Turbolaser damage, not because of atmosphere pressure.

 

To your first point. If they fall under the category of "beam" weapons they operate under the spectrum of light, ie; phasers requiring remodulation of their frequency to overcome borg adaptations. What I'm saying is that focused particles fired at extreme speeds cause the holtzman shields to react. It's the deduction of lasers being focused light particles fired in the same way.

To your second. The holtzman shield does have the fault to allow objects in at slow enough velocity. However, take into account that in space battle kinetic weapons would have no effect on the holtzman shields due to the ships own velocity factoring in. Sure you can slow a torp down to hit a stationary ship but what about one that isn't stationary?