Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong. You see, there is no evidence that mediclorions exist in
    star trek or in the real world. Nanoprobes however, are something made by the borg that would have an effect on the account that it does not rely upon one being a part of something, save for something technological or biological in nature. Thus, it indeed would affect other creatures. To say that it wouldn't is the equal to saying that a SW person could not be harmed by a phaser.
     
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  3. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Very little known fact Troydarians are closed to Telepathy, completely something in their brain structure makes it impossible. That being said Luke still managed it. Qui-Gon knew this alien creature survives and owns a shop in a town that would make the worst ghetto look safe.

    First of all he said "The force has a strong influence on the weak mind."

    Secong aq few women have been born with dicks, it is a genetic mutation, but it exists.



    Hey I am following the rule of no spoilers either do it or admit you are wrong. Of course either way your wrong.

    Survivors when Worf wanted to chase down the Energy controller.

    Firepoint (almost every order)

    All good things.

    Hey, every ship they meet is armed to the teeth. If Vader was going for a trick like this it would not appear so threatening moron.

    He had Picards looks but not the command codes. Captain can lock out everyone. Data has used Captains voice to do it, but Data is dead.

    Mind trick works by sight.


    Has a Strong Influence on the weak minded, moron.

    Proof, moron

    Hell they follow him willingly 99% of the time

    Like any force power infinate as long as the user can make some sort of connection

    R type are clear and red, S are Orange, G are Yellow, and F are Green and only torpedoes set to implode, implode. Of course you would not know this/

    Dude just the warheads in storage should have been more than 100 megatons. The argument is sealed live with it

    Every other warp core breach you see was a HUGE ship not smal shuttle. DUr your name is Moron

    I don't have to put out proof you are the one who claimed it could be done in one torp


    Dude you don't get it Our atmosphere is vaporized dipshit.


    Actually if anything TNG phasers have been shown to be gimped they can't even penetrate light packing crates.

    So what if he did it was in his technolically induced delirium

    Did the federation do that? Disd they use a single bomb? Oh then you're lying again


    Hello every Klingon Torpedo i Iave seen is Red or Orange.

    And plasma only implode if you prime them to, jackass.

    Small problmes as Lucas has said everything written in SW is based solely on SW perspective.
     
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  5. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe they can't.....

    Seriously midichlorians are described as present in ALL life. Even the extra-galatic ones like the Vong and Elliot.
     
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  7. Fettman #1 Bounty Hunter Registered Senior Member

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    And if I'm correct there is only one universe and SW shares it with ST
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    He was in the command program, not ever command officer understands physics fully. Second he asked and Harry Kim answered as well that there shouldn't have been pieces larger than a centimeter which is not vaporized.


    Well some trace of it should be left after you smash it, but there was not.


    But I can't help but think how well an obviously fragile and light (Chakotay was was around a football sized lump like it was well a foot ball) fooled Voyagers sensors then you turn around and say "Oh the federation as superior sensors."
     
  9. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Uh, your a fucking moron. That doesn't prove that Luke managed to beat something that was impossible (since it would be impossible), but rather that it makes that lesser canon non-valid because the man was overcome by it even when he should be immune.



    Picard is not weak minded.

    First, you missed the point. Second, I demand you post proof of such things, and make that reliable sources. And to top it all off, you would have to prove that this thing would also be a exception for Picard or Vader.

    No, post proof or its not valid.

    Hardly a point when a demi-god like being was around. Anything from this episode is not at all as it seems. Double so when we're told that his species are tricksters.

    There is no episode called Firepoint that I'm aware of.

    Be specific.

    Except his common tactics are fear and threatening people...

    Its canon fact that the clone had all of Picard's memories up to the point of the switch. And yes, Data is dead, but so is the Emperor, and Vader, and the Death Star. For that matter, if the Empire was to go to war against the UFP, they would have a fight on both fronts with the Republic and the Alpha powers.

    So then Vader has to say it in order for Picard to do something. Riker and the others would hear it. And furthermore, they would cut the transmition...oh, excuse me, that would be Commander Madden, who has just joined the Enterprise E and would surely not blindly follow the Captian's orders. Again, hardly matters as Vader's already dead.

    Yes, on the weak minded. He said nothing about someone who wasn't weak minded.

    The Force does not exist in Star Trek. In star wars, everything in their universe are part of the force. Thus, since Star Trek has no such thing as the Force, they are not part of it. Simple logic.



    Sorry, this is Commander Madden with Picard now, and Pichard will likely be getting someone to replace Data, not to mention that Worf argues from time to time and would not lower the shields when someone is in plain sight mind raping Picard. But again, this is not a plausible situation since Vader is dead, Picard isn't weak minded, and of course, he isn't part of the force.

    Your a fucking moron. There is no evidence to suggest that the Plasma torp can do anything but implode. The weapon works on the basis that a large blob of plasma hits the target, engulfs it, and forces an implosion.

    Do you have proof that the ships still had some bombs left, and what yield where they set to (yields can be adjusted).

    Do you actually read my posts you dumbass?

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    I said that when you see a photon hitting a ship and destroys it, the blast is not nearly as powerful as what we see during a warpcore breach. The explosion from when a ship is destroyed is often fairly small compared to a warpcore breach which sends a massive shockwave out as well. So, given that both the shuttles and the UFP ships are made by Starfleet, there is no reason to assume that there is a difference, as the systems would be incorperated into both of them.

    ...Because that is a Photon Torp that we see. We have no other difference to look at save for their yield and we all know that photons can have their yields adjusted, so that explains weaker explosions. And to top it all off, you where the one who claimed that it was different from the others, not me. I made an observation that a photon did said level of damage. You claimed it was special, now back it up or shut up.
    Did you fail to learn how to read? DO you know what NDF means? UFP officers often use it as slang for the NDF effects. Of course, we can just assume your right here and that Scott meant what he really said, but then that means that UFP phasers are incredibly powerful for how small they are.


    Actually, most of the time that we see them hit the crates, its either on stun or kill. Kill settings seems to just leave a burn mark that kills them, so its likely that its done by a lower setting of heat. And to top it all off, these crates are often made by people in the Alpha area, who would like to in all logic, protect their goods. Given how common disruptors and phasers are, one can assume they use materials resistant to phasers on lower settings. Because there is easy evidence of Phasers blowing up/vaporizing rock walls, and things such as this quote you seem to not have seen:

    So, we already know that Phasers can go up to 2,314 degrees, and that given that it was only setting seven, there are nine more settings with higher power levels.

    ...So what happened to your claim that he was just bluffing? He was very sure of himself when he fired that phaser, a weapon that would be like a handgun to us. I doubt that he was so far off as that.

    I've never lied here you dumbass!:jason:

    Your the one here twisting quotes, making up bullshit, and not backing anything up. I was posting that as an example of UFP firepower. In fact, you seem so keen upon claiming that the Cardassians and the Romulans where using weapons much more powerful than UFP ones, and yet Romulan warbirds are around the same level as Galaxy class starships, and the Cardassians are actually third world powers. In fact, UFP fighters with micro-torps are able to blow holes larger than the actual fighters on Cardassian capital ships, even after they recived Dominion upgrades and had their shields on. So, yes, tell me how the Cardassians, who are basicly used as cannon fodder by the Dominion, are so much greater than the Fucking UFP, when five or so fighters can cripple their warship. FIGHTERS!

    Can you read that or is it too small?

    FIGTHERS!

    And you want UFP firepower? The Defiant, a 120 km warship is stated in canon is able to reduce the Founder's home planet to a cinder.


    Wrong again

    You can see them firing photons at time index 1:50. They clearly fire photons and Klingons are not said to have anything else.

    Here is a pic, incase your too lazy to watch it, or just plain miss it:

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    It implodes because the plasma is crushing the ship.

    Provide Evidence.
     
  10. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    Come to think of it. StarWars is "a few" years before Startrek.
    Maybe ...... maybe The Q are Jedi that learned somuch about the force they could change into force inself. Maybe Q equals midichlorians

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  11. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Evil thought and it fits 6.7 billions would do that to Jedi hell Q could be one of Luke's descendants!
     
  12. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    When obi-one said "Weak minded" he probably ment Humanoids
     
  13. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    sssstttt. Not to loud or they are screaming NON_CANON again

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  14. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Oh they'd scream that if they heard it repeated 84 times from each character in each movie
     
  15. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    that's using your greycells when watching a movie.
    Grey cells as in brains.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    yes they do... watch Nemesis you fucktard. The Valdore and their wingman were using PHOTON torpedos. Just like the Scimitar.

    Plasma torpedos are VERY massive, VERY destructive implosive devices that have the disadvantage of being rather slow. Just like your ships.

    And scott- just because their "lowest possible yeild" is 25 tons (bullshit in itself but anyway) that means that is their maximum?

    Okay. Good. The lowest possible yield of your "turbolasers" is "little green dot on the wall" intensity. That is now your maximum yield.

    Do you see the problem with your theory?
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Quit bitchin just because you were proven wrong.
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Nanites are VERY real mate- it's the field of medical science I'm in college to go into...

    They are theorized to be the ultimate cure for cancer- instead of flooding the body with chemo therapy, you use microscopic machines (eg, nanites) to target the cancer cells and kill ONLY those cells.

    It hasn't been tested in HUMAN subjects yet only because of the problems with the body rejecting them. Once that is solved, they will likely replace most forms of Cancer therapy.
     
  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So... according to your logic... the Force is a genetic mutation?

    Cool- Star Trek can do genetic engineering. We'll simply "fix" your jedi and sith

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  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    This is taken DIRECTLY from Star Trek: StarShip Command Orion Pirates

    I THOUGHT YOU SAID VIDEO GAMES WERE NOT CANNON SCOTT?

    MAKE UP YOUR MIND YOU FLIP FLOPPING RETARD.
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Lol. Well, given that after such a time frame the SW homeworlds stars would have burned out, it is possible.

    However, that means we now have all your powers.

    Oh, and given that Q said that humans will become more powerful than even the Q Continuum, that means humans are not as "weak minded" as you say. Maybe your humans are, but outs have free will still

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  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Here we have a few examples of Scott making up his own little mirror universe of both worlds.

    Kitt to scott. Kitt to scott. Come in scott. SHUT THE FUCK UP SCOTT.

    Wake up and smell the ashes scotto. You lost, not just because ST>SW in tactical and firepower and defenses... but because you argue like a sick camel. If someone disagrees with you, you spit in their face, turn around and try to pretend like they don't exist.
     
  23. w1z4rd Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder how species 8472 would react to mediclorions
     
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