Muslim Experience in America

Discussion in 'Politics' started by DiamondHearts, Aug 6, 2008.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    For reference, see history of the Carvakas and Buddhism in India.
     
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  3. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    more like this

    smile
     
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  5. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    r-u-b-b-i-s-h.
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Ah yes, that poor fellow. Its amazing the things people imagine about some poor sod in some place they never go to.
     
  8. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    he looked happy to me. i dont know what you are complaining about.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Happy? Yeah, as happy as someone who is not very right in the upper storey can look after repeated beatings in police custody that leave them unable to function normally can look. Its a good thing he has family to look after him. Protesting against atrocities is the only thing he does.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...icas-hated-poster-boy-Islamic-radicalism.html
     
  10. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    its amazing how muslims never attend in any violent activity. they are always persecuted, abused, mistreated.

    a bunch of saints.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    This may be true. But, we're also at an interesting time in human development.

    In a gloabalized world, which religions will be the most successful? What makes for a successful society? Is it one where about 20% of the population is atheistic? Classical Greece questioned their Gods, but, the common person didn't stop believing. Maybe there is an optimal balance between atheism and theism that produces the best society? Maybe this is the key ingredient missing in Islamic societies? The reason why they are not flourishing?
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Islamic societies stopped flourishing when they moved away from Islamic values.
     
  13. Gustav Banned Banned

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    false
    societies thrives when utilizing values that tend to be universal
    co-opting these as uniquely islamic is......frau......disin......hmm....misguided!

    /wags
     
  14. Gustav Banned Banned

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    a reference
    got more?
     
  15. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    That's a myth, Islamic societies stopped flourishing when (like any empire) they lost the ability to effectively wage war. The loot stream that greased the machinery for 900 years dried up.
     
  16. Gustav Banned Banned

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    false!
    this here loot stream flows with the ease of a well oiled pipeline
     
  17. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    Now yeah but there was a lapse of several centuries.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I'll go with that, its why individualism fails as a social system. Individuals can only thrive when the social system is established and functional.
     
  19. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Much like the Catholic Church in the dark ages, the Quran is written in a language that is not readable by the mass of the adherents to Islam, so they are dependent on their Imam, and Ayatollah's, and those seem to be self appointed.

    Having a state, were the average Moslem is dependent on some one else for translating the Quran to them does not lead to a society for and of the individual.

    It lead to a state, of theocracy, were things are selectively spoon feed to the individual, to control his actions and views, and exploit that monopoly.

    Who speaks for Islam? More and more Muslims do. As they compete with one another for the support of their fellow believers, there is debate even over the criteria by which they ought to be measured: scholarly insight, personal piety, political efficacy or other grounds.

    Hojjatoleslam, Ayatollah, ayatollah al-'ozma, marja, Theocracy Replaces Monarchy - The Turban for the Crown, and the warlord of Islam look to expand their own power base and interpret the Quran for their own best interest.

    So much like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, they fight among each other for power, in internal warfare, and are controlled by those who interpret the Quran with the same absolute theism, that the Catholic Church did until the Reformation.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, the Quran is very easy to read; all you have to do is learn the language. Its not some code or something. But randomly reading one line here and there will tell you nothing.

    And if you're going to copy paste from other sites, at least be honest enough to post a link or give some indication that its not your own writing

    http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/whospeaks.htm

    Otherwise its called plagiarism.
     
  21. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Can't respond so change the focus.

    So the Quran is easy to read?

    Received revelations for Shatan, so how can his writing be considered Holy?
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, its a phonetic language. Do you have didactic marks in English?

    Tabari was born 200 years after Muhammed.

    And plagiarism is not allowed on sciforums. You should know that academic websites can track their material and it is illegal to post material without giving due credit. They use it to find students who copy paste from websites. Besides which, it is simply dishonest to pass off other people's work as your own.
     
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  23. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    So because you can't meet the question, you change the focus.

    Again you have just admitted defeat on the subject.
     

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