Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Shields and Weapons are defenitely inferior in SW.
     
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  3. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Classic Trekkie hollow argument from the Outrageous Okona. The Enterprise was facing a small ship from a culture that had just attained warp recently. The lasers in question were gigawat lasers at best.

    This argument has been used before, and dismissed by people afar more intelligent than you.

    There is NO POSSIBLE way a ship that generates 1.2E19(1.2 x 10 ^19 or 12 billion gigawats) per second is going to stop a bolt is 7.8E20 (780 billion gigawats) for 1/15th second. The shields alone would need to be at least6,500% efficent higher if you wanted to power anything else.

    Secondly we can see from cannon footage that the Bolts in question are not true lasers. First of all they travel slower than light, but no slower than Phasers. They are visible in space. They have a bit of a muzzle flash even in vacuum When they hit they cause blunt trauma as well as DET.

    Obviously the statement you used is correct ST canon, but does not fit the weapon. In better terms it is like an M1A1 armor, it will protect in completely from a lot of crap, but Drop a tactical nuke on it and kiss it goodbye.
     
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  5. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Meanining if we translated this to nuatical terms Galaxy, Defiant and Sovereign would be the equivalent to lightly armed research vessels. Against a whaler or smuggler they do very well. But the ISD is like a Battleship. It doesn't need maneuverability as it has vastly superior firepower. They are made for heavy and prolonged combat.
     
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  7. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    What makes you think the vessel would keeps it shiedls lowered when it detected your vessel 4 days out. Second you are assuming that 10 gigawats phasers and 25 tons torpedoes is going to do much damage to a nuetronium impregnated ship. Thirdly assume that they were jamming your scans so it appeared that they had their shields down, a common SW tactic. Fianlly you fail to realize that the ship would be sitting either in the middle or derectly beside the ship. Firing weapons into civillian populations centers is a no-no.
     
  8. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Remember again, pretty any measurment in power done by SW is considered non-canon. And why do they call them lasers if they're not really lasers. (And Phasers are faster than bolts)
     
  9. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    im a sci fi fan first and foremost, the executor class rocks.
     
  10. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    How 4 days out? Nuetronium is a ST object, used by the planet killer which was said to be made out of pure nuetronium.
     
  11. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Why does ST use the term ISOton when ISO isn't a prefix? Terminology means what the writers want it to mean.
     
  12. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Once stated that only Quantum torpedos were not very effective against nuetronium, so screw that then let's use Photon torpedos. That thing isn't 100% nuetronium, if so how would the crew maintain it? And it's shields wouldn't be up while it was landed would have desasterous effects on the envirment.
     
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  13. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Due to the poorly trained and highly undisciplined officers/gunners (aside from Vader's touch of death) they are pretty bad shots even without the rifle. ST ships would just drive them insane.
     
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  14. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah that tiny whole in the side of the ship, actually cuased by a fragment of armor prpelled from the communications frigate being destroyed. Yeah I saw that, I also saw that the ASD was largely unaffected by the explosion.

    As for the bridge lay out, of course it was familiar, doesn;t the Caption of any vessel stand or sit in the middle and give commands? Mush easier form the middle, you only have to be heard half the width of the room.

    Also the battle of Corusacant had been going on for HOURS before we came into the movie.

    And another thing, yes it very nice to slip around gracefully in battle, but the truth is that battleships and Dreadnoughts don't do that. The go in and pound the enemy flat. Since no Federation ship has shown any type of maneuverability better than a B-wing fighter. ST ships are much larger than SW fighters and if the ISD point defenses can hit them relaibly then a 200 yard+ plus frigat should be asy.
     
  15. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Haven't you seen the beginning of Star Trek first contact?!? Or that starship fight on Nemisis? Geeeez!
     
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  16. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    I've said it once and I'll say it again, any estimate of power measurments is and should be considered NON-CANON!

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  17. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Your proof of this? Oh yeah that right, you have none and were completely bullshiting. Some simple extremely low power laser might display a phenomena that is a closer It is not the case with truly powerful beam weapon.
     
  18. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Really? Free electron lasers are the best in atmosphere and they lose approx 1/3 power per mile. I'll dig out the German research papers this weekend and scan them.
    Bullshitting? Hardly dickhead - it's my business.
    Initial power doesn't affect power loss...
     
  19. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    What is considered SW canon?
     
  20. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    And this is proof that Federation weaponary is more powerful than IMP weaponary. The Federation has been around for only 200 years and the Galactic Empire/Republic has been around for god knows when, and the Federation is this far in technology in this little time. Heck after seven centuries the Federation already know how to traverse time.
     
  21. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    No it's not "proof" read the reply earlier, post 4468. Turbolasers aren't lasers - the name sounds similar but they're NOT lasers.
     
  22. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Still, then who named it?!?
     
  23. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    Who named turbolasers as turbolasers? The scriptwriters, who probably know as much real science as any other script writer. They wanted a "cool" name and that's it.
    "That which we call a rose..." etc.
     
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