Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    By thick incredibly resistant armor he means a few cubes have plating that is half a meter thick, the rest of them are open construstion and quite frail.
     
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  3. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    @hellblade8 EXELLENT pic's of the defiant :bravo: . where do you get these? are there blueprints?
     
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  5. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Which took that from Star Fleet Battles circa 1970's who in turn took it from certain fanzines.
     
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  7. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Why? Especially since standard drones are described as 20 kiloton missiles and do the same damage as Photon Torpedos. Think about that for a moment.
     
  8. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    For clarification M type does not refer to size mass or gravity. It refers to the how suitable it is for carbon based life. M type being very suitable for carbon based life forms. Don't beleive me look it up.
     
  9. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    come to think of it. If st an sw would collide wound't sw tech be yet another billion years ahead?

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    as it seems that batlle of yavin was billion of years ago and st is in the far future?
     
  10. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Well here is where you are wrong. using the entire Warp Core output the Enterprise D survived in a stars Corona for quite some time, though it did suffer damage from doing so.

    Also in the Thrawn Trilogy an ISD survived being almost in Nkllon' corona for several hours with no structural damage. Now this would seem trivial but the Nkllon star was unusually to the point of being mentioned as being one of the most energetic stars in the galaxy. Oddly enough Lando Calrisians corporation was capable of designing a ship that could produce protective shadows, without the use of shields.


    Finally in argument. Suspension of disbelief means we have to take the material at face value, if the book says it is 12.5 gigatons then it is 12.5 gigatons and the shields of opposing ships are known for being able to resist, temporarily, that level of firepower.
     
  11. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Battle of Yavin was 6.2 billion years ago. And yes SW knows where earth is, latest visitor was ET whose ship managed a 300 million light year trip in just one day.
     
  12. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    The X-wings were inside the the ray shielding which wast about 100 meters form the surface. They still had to contend with particale shielding. You will note that no X-wing did any significant damage until the hole in one shot by Luke
     
  13. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    I have though (like scott says an evil though

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    Ioncannons fire charched particles. Everyone keeps saying that won't effect ST shields. wright so far?

    a drop of water has no effect on steel, wright?
    Yet there are machines that exellerate water thus cutting trough steel like butter. See where i'm getting at?

    If an isd fires his sixty ioncannons on the same spot over and over again. ad sixty turbolasers and direct your photontorpedos at that exact point on there shield. they would go trough like it was nothing.

    When an UFP ship launches a torp there are a few things we can do.
    fly a droid into it. send some buzzdroids after it
    use tractorbeams to change course, hey even sligshot it back at them

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  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Vasago, sorry mate, but many of your questions have been answered already. The truth is, we have NOT seen a "limit" to Q's power. We know from things he stated in the show that when he wants to do something, he just thinks it and snaps his fingers. No matter what it is, it is done.

    Photon Torps (and indeed all Trek torps) are shielded. Thus no tractor beams, no destroying them (and even if they were unshielded, your chances to hit them are slim to nil) etc.

    Buzzdroids and other droids would be no problem. Photon torps are not just impact detonation. Proximity detonation, remote detonation, etc.

    And if your force users are SO strong, why did the DS and DS2 get blown up in the first place?

    And no, Scott. The Ent-D was quite happy inside the stars corona. It never states in the episode that the warp core was being overly taxed- if I remember correctly, the metaphasic shielding was actually sabottagued (pardon my spelling, it's five in the fuckin morning)

    And no, suspension of disbelief means we take face value for what is shown in the show.

    If you want to go with face value, you are ROYALLY screwed. Why? Because Q-torps work by extending the matter/antimatter thru a seven dimensional matrix inside a zero point clean vacuume. Suspension of disbelief dictates that since it hasn't been proven to be unable to be done, we can simply do that to your ships.

    Suspension of disbelief states that, since Q has never shown himself to have any power AND has saved/helped Humanity on more than one occasion (not to mention having a fondness for Humanity and a very evident desire to help nurture it and help it grow, even if he is misguided) he could simply make your little toys disappear.

    Suspension of disbelief states that since we have never seen Borg nanoprobes in the SW universe, a nanoprobe bomb attack would most likely be successful as the wars people wouldn't have the foggiest idea what to do about it. Sure, maybe those strong with the force wouldn't be affected, but everyone else? Now they are borg

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    Suspension of disbelief states that Star Trek will kick your ass six ways to sunday. So lets not open that up shall we?
     
  15. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    Is the ds's shield 100meter of the surface because the emperor's tower is 100meters high or does the tower have his own shield.?
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    If you want to let the timeline run, by this point Star Wars is dead and everyone IN it is dead.
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    It's like that because it was a useful plot device for George Lucas to make the X-wing in a trench scene. No other reason is given, no matter what Scotto might lead you to believe.
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all:

    The planet classification system is comprised of:

    Sustainability of life
    Overall planetary mineral makeup
    Terrestrial landform/mass makeup
    Atmosphere

    Class M doesn't mean simply it's good for life- it means it is good as supporting life with a largely oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere and plenty of useful resources (remember, in Trek there are races that don't breath oxygen)
     
  19. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    so kittamru: we have to believe what is saying is true? So if luke WOULD have said that he blow away earth with his mindpower we should believe him to?
    I find Q a bit of a charlatan myself but hey Q is Q

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  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    My Final Words:

    Scott keeps bringing up Trek discrepencies and using them as hard fact- Give it a rest dickhead. Star Trek is a far longer-lived entity than Star Wars ever will be. Spanning as many seasons as Trek does, the producers and writers did damn good at keeping it as consistant as they could. I would love to see you do better.

    Star Wars is the three original movies to me. It always was, always will be. They were what started it all and make Special FX what they are today. The next six movies were meh, but acceptible. All this bullshit that comes pouring out of the books... Lucas has said HIMSELF that it is SEPARATE from his universe. It is EXTENDED UNIVERSE. Pure ST vs SW does NOT include that shit for the reason that it is one giant mistake in itself.

    Trek technology is slowly being proven to be possible- we know for a fact that most of the Wars technobabble is just that. It is HIGHLY unlikely to ever work (electromagnetic turbines for FTL speed? WTF? Just having a moving PART to try to generate that at FTL speeds would shred itself). Where Trek physics fails, SCI FI takes over, not pseudo science.

    Star Wars as a movie franchise > Star Trek. Trek just cannot stay consistantly good with their movies. Wars, the triliogy was awsome. No doubt about it.

    Star Trek as a series > Star Wars for the fact that a Wars series doesn't exist.

    Star Trek Tech > Star Wars Tech for it's attempt at being realistic and plausible, if hard to understand.

    Wars Tech > Trek Tech for it's simplicity and it's pure kickassness (large ships blowing up planets = wootage on any level)

    In the end, BOTH are good in their own respects. Given what I have seen on screen, Trek would win because their technology is superior, their tactical officers actually think for themselves, and when they take up a phaser they intend to hit something with the first or second shot, not a dozen or so shots later. Wars has better drama and is easier to relate to, but trek is more advanced looking (ever wonder why there is no exterior view of a ship at hyperspace? It's because of technical limitations)

    So scott, you believe whatever helps you sleep at night. The rest of us will continue with our lives knowing what's real and ignoring your little fantasy world.
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    unless we see something to show otherwise, yeah. After all, he could sustain Picard on the outside hull of the Ent-D without any pressure suit or oxygen feed. that seems kind of impressive. he killed, then brought back to life, Tasha Yar (security guard) in Rendevouz at Farpoint. He can change the gravitational constant of the universe on a whim and can move solar bodies at will.

    At the VERY least he could cause massive swarms of asteroids to slam into the Wars armada and planets, obliterating them (watch, now Scott will try to claim that asteroid impacts won't damage Wars ships...)
     
  22. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    lol i think your right
     
  23. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    What non canon hole did you pull that from? Oh, never mind, I am not a proctologist and don't care to see it.


    Canon Definition of Class M is very suitable for sustaining life. There is no provision for land mass, mineral content, or even presence of life.

    Now you can add any definition you wnat, but the moment you do you are stepping out side of canon.
     
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