Star Wars vs Star Trek

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

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  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

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    7.8%
  6. Stargate

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  1. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Just teachin' him a lesson.

    Oh, and skywalker, you say "cold hard sex" not 'mate'.
     
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  3. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    Compared to all of the people they're giving off?!?

    Are you fucking insane?!? :bugeye:
     
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  5. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Hayden Christinsen did a very good job starring Anakin Skywalker (Older version ).
     
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  7. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Kittamaru:

    Source?

    Moreover, we know that proton torpedos are incapable of much more than a few megatons. It is impossible for them to do so.

    We also have further proof: The Dominion fleet was not able to do this to Cardassia Prime. Nor the Romulan Fleet against the Founders planet in DS9. In fact, in no war has any planet ever been turned to slag by Star Trek troops.
     
  8. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Kittamaru:

    Um...the technical commentaries basically accord with Wong.

    Consider his Deathstar calculations:

    The duration of the superlaser strike on Alderaan was about 0.21s (although it took slightly more than a second for the weapon to build up energy before the beam was released). Therefore the power of this beam, which needs to exceed the power dissipation rate of any deflector shields of the target, is at least of the order of 1032 W.

    In A New Hope the original Death Star was able to generate at least this amount of energy and to replenish it within the few days which transpired between the destruction of Alderaan and the Battle of Yavin. According to The Death Star Technical Companion, the Death Star was capable of generating sufficient energy for a full planetary disruption in a single day. Thus the main reactor was capable of generating energy beyond the station's continual running needs at a base rate of at least 2x1027 Watts.

    This power is approximately five times the continuous output of the Sun. It is vastly in excess of any artificial power source known to any other major fictional universe.

    In fact, the Technical Commentaries are in agreement with Wong almost routinely. The other website disagrees on several points, but please, show me a Trek source. Especially when the other website is less than optimal in its analsysis, presenting few screen shots, actual calculations, et cetera.
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Here's the problem - Scotty said, point blank in an episode of TOS, that the Enterprise was "poised to destroy every habitable place on the planet". Considering it was a large, shielded, class M planet, that's very impressive for an old Constitution class starship

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    Proton torpedoes incapable of much more than a few megatons, thank you. Photons and Quantums, however, have been proven able to do much, much more (Voyagers asteroid obliteration scene anyone?)
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    You're saying Darkstar provides FEW screenshots? Are you nuts...? Compared to WONG, darkstar is a fucking genious.

    Yes, some of saxtons calculations correspond to Wong, but he doesn't agree with the umpteen quadrillion terawatt output of Turbolasers... he agrees that the ISD's bridge was destroyed by a mere asteroid, and things of this nature.

    My point is, you need to do your own research. Read back a few hundred pages (ignore TWScott and SkywalkerJedi, as it'll lessen what you need to read considerably) and look at Saquists calculations... as well as Flectarn... they are wonderful examples of how Trek could, with it's WASTE PRODUCTS, defeat Star Wars - the M/AM byproduct of the Warp Drive of a small warp capable SHUTTLECRAFT is able to cause a star to go SuperNova... no need for a "suncrusher" epic uber superweapon of doom... a mere torpedo can completely molecuarlly re-arrange a planet (genesis device). A single mine generated by a small scout ship years away from home with no way to resupply can disperse destructive nanites over an area exceeding 5 LightYears!

    Star Trek doesn't need a DeathStar... it's got things like the Genesis Device, Doomsday Device, etc...
     
  11. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Kittamaru:

    Saber rattling. Considering this has been proven to not be the case a hundred and fifty years later when they were actually in a war. Again, there was no case where planetary slagging was possible.

    This is like the British Empire claiming they could melt an entire country. No, they could take it over, possibly, blow most of it into wreckage, but they could not turn the Zulu territory into molten metal.

    I meant photon, sorry. The words are too alike.

    The megatonage of the Star Trek missiles is a repeatedly demonstrated fact. Photon torpedos have very little in the way of power. As shown by the sources I gave, as well as you know, simply watching the show...

    Darkstar gives no calculations and references few scenes. he doesn't demonstrate screen shots or any other deep analysis. In other words: His site is crap!

    Actually, the majority of his calculations are utterly in accords with Wong's. And they represent astronomically high levels of power for minor guns.



    I've been debating in this thread for about three years on and off. I am fully aware of what both Star Wars and Trek are capable of.

    The "waste products" of which you speak of are laughable. The anti-matter drive of a standard star ship provides a few dozen of explosive force. It is also considered "catastrophic" for the level of Star Trek.

    The Genesis Device is fearsome. Who denies this? Go ahead and use it then - Star Wars has Deathstars, Eclipse Class Star Destroyers, Starcrushers, Galaxy Guns, World Devestators, et cetera. And this is just Imperial weapons. We're not even going into the Hutts, Mandalorians, Hape,s New Republic, Old Sith Empire, Old Republic, Jedi, et cetera.

    A single force user (Palpatine) is capable of causing force storms that can rip an Eclipse-class super star destroyer to pieces.

    These "nanites" are also laughable against ships and planets with shielding of various sorts. Are you seriously suggesting that Star Wars would be brought down by a few thousand "nanites"? They'd be fried by the very shields themselves.
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *chuckles* Aw me, another Scott... meh.

    Tell you what, here's the thing - in another episode, Kirk had been captured... Scotty said he could EASILY penetrate the planetary shields with a mid-power phaser blast... however, the phaser blast would VAPORIZE THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE PLANET, killing Kirk in the process.

    If a lil old Constitution could do that, why can't these all powerful ISD's? WHY does it take a small moon with a power core the size of a large STATE? It's simply pointless...

    You want Trek superweapons, fine.

    Doomsday Device - Immune to all energy and kinetic weapons - only way to destroy it is from the inside, which is damned near impossible because of the damping field shutting down your power generation systems.

    Genesis Device - strap a small cloak to this bad boy and you can kiss every major Star Wars homeworld goodbye. Come to think of it, it'd prolly work on the larger ships and deathstars too... wouldn't make a planet, but it'd disassemble them pretty well.

    Soran Missiles - a single, small, easily mass-manufactured missile able to turn a star supernova.

    Thalaron Weapons - banned by the Kithomer accord, but not difficult to make. Will rapidly degenerate flesh to an ash-like state (eg, Nemesis)

    Tholian Web - a web of unknown energy type able to entrap a ship. Resistant to all known weapons fire, regardless of power. Shrinks to slowly crush the entrapped ship. The creating ships are numerous and expendable.

    Trans-Warp / Quantum Slipstream - allow near-instantanious travel to ANYWHERE without pre-planned "hyperspace" lanes, as sensors are able to read ahead of the ship and detect any possible problem.

    Regenerative Shields - Dual system shield technology able to resist far higher damages than previous shields. Uses a standby set of generators that, as the primary shields drop, cut in as the main shields cut out. This allows the shield grid to recharge much faster (example, in Voyager, a Nova class ship was able to full recharge it's shields in under 45 seconds this way)

    Metaphasic Shields - Able to withstand flight into a star's outer core.

    Transphasic Torpedoes - able to phase out of reality and detonate inside a ship, causing massive damage. Likely targeted at the power plant.

    Phased Polaron Beams - able to pass thru most conventional forms of shielding and directly strike the hull of a ship.

    Then, of course, we have the Q... what's your response to them? The force? That's laughable - with a snap of his fingers, even q (Q's son) could stop the force from ever existing.

    Another thing to take into consideration - Trek "capital" ships are many many MANY times more manuverable than your average Wars capital ship... yes, HTL's may be able to eventually overwhelm the shield grid of a Sovereign class starship... if they can HIT it. Can a HTL battery REALLY hit a ship 700 meters long going almost 80% the speed of light while jamming both optical and sensor-based targetting equipment? I doubt it...
     
  13. Saquist Banned Banned

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    And Thus irrelevant. Yet one is clearly more practical, tacticaly and resourceful.



    That was an Entire Fleet of 100 ships including one ISD.
    You're omitting important facts not betraying your slight against Trek.
    No ISD destroyed a planet. Now that counts for evasion on your part because you didn't acknowledge the statement truthfully or directly.




    That's fine. But I postulate you never know untill you try.
    I would consider the real authority to be the chief engineer though.



    I see your problem now. Explosions and Vaporization are not the same.

    My point is Fighter weapons are never shown destroying an asteroid. ESB had many occasions were stray shots struck asteroids. They only turned them into rock flambe. Most times the weapons had no effect on the asteroids.



    It implies nothing.
    Weapons fire striking ground clearly shows a minimal effect akin to Tank salvo today. The same salvos struck the naboo fighter and easily rendered in inoperable.



    It's not the only canon to consider. he gives an incredible amount of leaway to Star Wars.

    He's a biggot. I uses insults in his analysis.
    I have given you my sources. They are canon.



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    Enterprise created three craters in the surface of the Borg cube attempting to destroy the tractor beam.
    Each whole is 240 to 300 meters in diamter on a cube that is 3040 meters. Each blast lasted only a second. That crater is about the mass of a Reliant style vessel. The actual area removed is larger enough for a Galaxy Class Star ship to pass through.
    The Cube was unshielded against the Enterprise's weapons at the time.
    As stated by Seven of Nine Cubes are made of Tritanium which is according to canon 21 times more dense than diamond and 10 times denser than Iron and Nickel of your typical asteroid.

    The Fact is the Enterprise destroyed a volume of area 6 times larger than the ESB asteroid and 10 times denser in the same amount of time. It's conclusive to say the phaser is many times greater. Another member here calcuated that the phaser was between 49 to 60 times more powerful than the Standard anti-fighter turbo laser. Star Trek has even proved this against fighters unlike Star Wars. The Enterprise vaporized a wing of fighters in less than 2 seconds by a multiburst from from one array, something Star Wars has never done despite that it's fighters are consistently destroyed by what is proven to be less than superior force against even the asteroids in ESB and the Ground in TPM.

    Star Trek wins that fight hands down. It's visually proven and inescapable.
    What we don't know is how powerful were the blast that destroyed the ISD in RotJ.
     
  14. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Kittamaru:

    Rejected by DS9. Where many orbital to planetary bombardments take place without vapourization of any atmosphere taking place.

    Unless, of course, the Federation was completely ignorant of the power of their own technology in TOS, we must construe it as hyperbole, based on more advanced technology at a later date.

    Either that, or rthe power magnitude of Trek weapons declined precipitiously. Which makes no sense whatsoever.

    Shoot a few turbolasers into its mouth. Problem solved. Fuck, send in a few missiles or a seismic charge, ala AOTC.

    The Genesis Device is the most fearsome "weapon" that Trek has. Good luck trying to reach the planets, though, considering the 120,000 LY large galaxy. Or you know, the hundreds of millions of planetary systems with trillions of inhabitants.

    On the other hand, the Galaxy Gun propels its shit through hyperspace from anywhere in the galaxy. It is the BOOM HEADSHOT of Star Wars. Considering the Trek planetary power base is in the order of a few hundred planets of major value (I.E. extended populations, not sub-million colonies) the war could be over in a matter of weeks without Star Wars even going past the galactic disk of the Milky Way.

    You mean a trilithium weapon. Which is often ineffectual, as noted throughout the series.

    The Star Crusher was only able to be destroyed by sending it into a black hole.

    Disruptors.

    Tholian webs work against Trek ships of comparative weakness. Even if we assume they could take on Star Wars capital ships, one need only destroy the ship which is creating it. An easy task. A few turbolaser blasts and KABOOOOOOOOMIES.

    One could also theoretically escape to hyperspace. Hyperspace bypasses normal space, thereby escaping energy fields. Only gravity effects hyperspace.

    Hyperspace lanes were abandoned by 5000 BBY. The surviving galactic superhighways are only extremely useful routes that make travel exceedingly fast by being known to be reliable. Hyperspace can be accomplished at any time in any place with extreme safety by the time of the movies. Plotting whole new ones are no longer dangerous. Sensors are up to par for even small ships (like the Millennium Falcon) to calculate the extrodinary mathematical complexities necessary to get there, whereas previously space stations worth of computers working at unimaginable speeds were.

    They bypass Borg defenses. Not necessarily the Empire's. The Borg hardly face threats equivalent to the Empire, when they cannot defeat the Federation, and the Federation can't even consider using projectile weaponary against drones...

    Star Wars ships are heavily armoured. Furthermore, the Defiant was able to recalibrate its shields just fine against these weapons.

    The Aing-Tii monks could wish the Q out of existence just as easily. They are as omnipotent as the Q. There are plenty of Star Wars creatures that display levels of power equivalent to Q. Those who placed Centerpoint into position, for instance.

    Star Trek ships are manueverable now? That' sfunny: They tend to move like beached whales on the screen...No more manueverable than Star Wars capital ships. Both of them are not built for speed.

    You seem to imply that the ability to "move forward while firing" is something only Star Trek is capable of. I point your attention to Star Wars ep 3, 4, and 6.

    Moreover, Star Wars vessels, both ships, fighters, and in between...are capable of FTL travel without hyperspace. The MIllennium Falcoln makes it from Hoth to Bespin (Bespin being in an entirely different Star System) without hyperspace. They also make it to the outer reaches of the Hoth system without engaging FTL travel.

    One case of something which IS slow is the Deathstar....because it is tremendous. However, it can go through hyperspace. Meaning, the Deathstar can go across the entire GALAXY in a matter of hours, regardless of whether in normal space it takes 30 minutes to go around half of Yavin (a speed which is impressive, considering how long moons take to orbit Jupiter).
     
  15. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Saguist:

    Yes, the Deathstar.

    Base Delta Zero attacks have been accomplished by a single ISD.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:BaseDeltaZero.jpg

    Geordi never contradicted the captain. He never said: But captain, we can easily cut through with our forward phaser array! I'll calibrate the array right now - no need to use dangerous cloaking technology!

    At least half of the asteroid is reduced to vapour. Smidgens are left untouched.

    I never suggested that glancing shots from fighters aimed at other fighters were going to blow up violently asteroids. Only turbolasers show that level of power. That being said, fighters do have the power to do so, when equipped with the right power. See: Slave 1.

    Ground penetration is another feature entirely of weapons. Consider the fact that for all the power of a MOAB deployed by the US military, it has virtually no ground penetrative capability.

    Similarly speaking, the effects are concentrated. We are not seeing mushroom clouds everytime a laser goes off. The power level is highly contained in a specific area to avoid that sort of nonsense.

    He uses scientific calculations. Unless you're indicting NEwton of pro-Wars support...

    You've given me about two sources which I have so far shown to not indicate any degree of significant power to Star Trek. Next?

    You will note that the Enterprise was firing full power with its only significantly powerful weapon against an unshielded, largely open(as evidenced by the structures of the Cube which are extremely open), enemy vessel. The ISD, on the other hand, was using its lightest weapons to casually blast asteroids out of the path. The ISD has dozens more, and several far more significant weapons. Weapons which through BSD operations, indicate power ranges that are astronomically more impressive than cutting through a Borg Cube.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Consider this factoid - A Trek ship, while at light speed, can orbit any Star Wars ship and pound it to hell with phasers and torpedoes... all while the silly turrets on the Star Wars vessel are unable to track it (dont' even TRY to say a turret can turn with enough rotational velocity to track a super-light target)
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Again - Voyager. A single Photon Torp blew up an asteroid larger than the damned SHIP!
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    A Base Delta Zero fleet bombardment was regarded as one of the most devastating operations that the Imperial military was capable of, and unlike other Imperial military codes, the designation was not subject to change, so that there was never any confusion when it was issued. Due to its effects, BDZs were considered a last resor

    Straight from the wiki... Base Delta Zero FLEET bombardment... not ISD... not single SuperSD, FLEET...
     
  19. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    What are you talking about? That bombardment wasn't rejected.

    Perhaps...

    If I'm not mistaken, Tuvok said that it takes about 52 isotons to destroy a small planet. A fed photon torpedo is 25 isotons.

    That wouldn't work.

    You must have some pretty crazy ideas about wars firepower.

    Transwarp conduits.



    Where do you get your TL calcs?


    They did have projecticle weapons, but see, a force field doesn't only block energy now does it?

    The Q continuum from seeing how their world is for the time being is obviously more sophisticated than the Aing-Tii monks will ever have, thus the Q are more powerful.

    Ummmm... Don't lie, and you know it!!!!!!!!! We have seen ST ships pull more menouvers than any SW ship ever has!!!! Hell I've never even seen an ISD yaw...


    Most of the time, yes, all of SW ships engage in 16th century ship-to-ship broadside tactics. *Shakes Head*

    Speaking of which, Exeter told me about a book he found in barns & noble called "Worst Science: Star Wars", from what he told me, it critisizes all of SW's poor logic, tactics, and weapons.
     
  20. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    I case you haven't noticed, the dominion HQ was STATIONED ON CARDASSIA PRIME.
     
  21. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Kittamaru:

    You said "make the planet uninhabitable". Which one is it? Habittable settlements? If so, how many settlements? I don't recall the details of this episode. Please recall it for me.

    The Enterprise went into the thing. A seismic charge is a metal canister which then explodes inside the thing. Why would this be subjected to "energy sucking"?

    Incapable of even remotely the same level of travel. Transwarp conduits, for instance, have to be laid down in static positions. Only 5 exist in the ST galaxy - all in the Delta quadrant. They were all destroyed by Voyager _and_ are vastly inferior. You know what Transwarp conduits are called in Star Wars? Hyperspace Gates. They were were superceded by hyperdrive before the founding of the Galactic Republic, 25,000 years BBY.

    Star Wars can equip fighters with hyperspace that can transverse the galaxy in hours.

    How would you detect something which you have no idea where it is going? Even if you could detect it and attempt to destroy it in time, the missiles themselves are heavily armoured and shielded, to the point where it is likely that they will easily strike the planet in question. In cases of perhaps...Earth or Romulus, where maybe the fleets would be concentrated, one need only drop a Deathstar II onto of their asses with a fleet of ISDS. Then there goes Earth after it is cut to pieces.

    It also was useful for blowing up space stations, apparently. Pardon me if the very suspiciously random properties of trilithium give it an obvious reason for why it is not used as the defacto explosive material of every torpedo.

    There is no "Mirror" on the list of episodes. Which episode are you referencing? I think you have the title wrong. Also, the Memory Alpha article on Voyager doesn't say anything about the blackhole.

    So yeah: Source?

    Main phaser on an extremely distributed mass against unshielded Borg ships does not a turbolaser beat. Moreover, the ISD was using its lightest TL cannons.

    You do realize that Star Wars has tractor beams also, yes? That work against significantly larger ships. Which assumes greater power.

    So if you want to play a tug of war, an ISD > Galaxy Class.

    Routinely these "phasic" technologies have shields developed to face them.

    That's clearly how 100,000 years of space-faring civilization's battles have wroked. Right. Everyone underestimates everyone in Star Wars.

    Yes, I am certain that is correct.

    Please, watch the movies and tell me that every battle is won by underestimation. Or read any of the EU books, comics, and other material. Nothing indicates that whatsoever. The Vong certainly did not underestimate the New Republic.

    BS. The Aing-Ti monks would laugh at the Q and tell them to fuck off and not try to use omnipotent powers. Then they'd de-Qify some Qs to make a point. A fact which can be accomplished by other Qs, which incidates it is possible.

    So?

    Warp warps space. There is no movement. The Enterprise is stationary during warp travel. Don't you know the technology whatsoever, bro?

    Hyperspace can go 20 million times C, stop, then go back the same way in a second. What's your issue?

    I haven't ever bothered to count. Ships tend to miss other ships. That's how...........things work. In hectic battles. Especially against fast moving, small objects - something which ST doesn't have. Shuttles aren't used in combat and they are barely armed.

    I meant hyperspace FTL travel, rather than non-hyperspace FTL. I.E. Xim the Despot level technology as the backup. Sorry for the confusion.

    Hoth to Bespin is in the order of several dozen lightyears. They are in different star systems.

    The Star Wars ship will be sending out a horde of fighters flying at fractions of C after the capital ships, while engaging tractor beams and firing in saturation patterns. Also, as the Empire won't be faced with the same degree of electronic warfare jamming as they are used to, they will likely be initiating auto attack mechanisms to blast the Fed ships into smitherines.

    Moreover, as evidenced by DS9, the speeds stay within the orbit of a planet. The only move that uses faster speed is the Picard Manuevre, which uses relativistic effects to force an after image effect that is confusing.

    We never see a Star Destroyer attack a planet in the movies. What are you talking about?

    If we did see a Star Destroyer unleash fucking hell on a planet, then we'd be talking about that rather than the comics. But we don't. The closest we could have got was Hoth, but Hoth was heavily shielded. Thus the ground attack to take out the shield so BSD could commence. Alas, the Empire failed to do what they intended before the Rebels could ion canon the shit out of the ISD fleet.

    The comic canon does not contradict the movie in this case. If it did, I would - as would all other Warsies - talk about the movie, not the comics. That is the established canon rules.

    There is volatile equipment now? What? The ship inside the asteroid was fused with it. There was nothing to worry about.

    They can safely be assumed? Says who? Seismic charges are a relatively rare weapon, but there is no reason they should not work on "armoured targets". They blast to smitherines entire asteroids and propogate THROUGH space.

    What episode had a phaser drill to the bottom of a planet? I recall the scene vaguely, but give me an ep title or number, please.

    Also....what is that supposed to prove? That a phaser is a nice cutting laser? What next, you are going to discuss the military applications of laser scapels?

    Bunker busters are specially made for ground penetration, my friend who rides the short bus to school. Tank shells for the droid tanks clearly are not. Nor are any tank shells. Tank shells are line-of-sight weapons. They are not bunker penetrators.

    Where did you get your BS in Engineering, my good man?

    Oh wait. You did not.

    how am I supposed to accept a source which has no calculations? That's like saying "please take this all on faith". BS! I ain't taking shit on faith! Give me analysis.

    A cube is heavily open. Dude, have yuo not seen ANY of the eps where they go into one? The thing is practically open to the vacuum of space in many areas.

    It doesn't matter how big the Cubes are if they are mostly empty space.

    Source.

    Comic shows one ISD delivering the BDZ. The planet is fucking exploding all over the place from one ISD.

    Of course you can have a fleet of lesser ships do the same. or even a fleet of ISDs do the same A LOT quicker. But one ISD is capable of rendering a BZD in 3 hours.

    According to KOTOR, 5000 years BBY, the Leviathan Sith Warship was capable of BZDs.
     
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    US Athens:

    A single Galaxy class claims it can vapourize an atmosphere. An entire fleet in DS9 cannot accomplish that. That is what is being rejected.

    A photon torpedo does not betray, at any time, 25 isotons of power. Furthermore, many photon torpedos were launched at the Founders Planet and Cardassia Prime. None blew the planet apart.

    Okay. Spend a few hundred years linking them.

    Check a few of my prior posts. I gave the links there.

    As evidenced by the physical manhandling of the Borg Drones by Data, the Bords do not prevent kinetic attacks.

    The Aing-Ti philosophy usually keeps them away from interfering, unlike some Q. That being said, if the Q were starting to mess with things, the Aing-Ti can be presumed to act and fuck with the Q.

    We have seen a few advance against one another at ramming speed.

    Generally speaking, it is the fighters which are moving in SW battles with high manueverability. The capital ships do not use tactics where one weapon is brought to bear against eachother. But hundreds of batteries...

    More like WWII carrier battlegroup tactics.

    It's science fiction. Science fiction. Star Trek doesn't even know what a baryon is. So please, do not tell me which is worse...

    Don't you remember when Cardassia was targetted after they betrayed the Dominion? 150,000,000 Cardassians were killed.
     
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    Mind explaining how destroying 30% of a planets crust in one volley (curiously their weapons were far more effective than they had anticipated) invalidates the ability to destroy the habital areas of a planet in short order?
    other planetary bonbardments were likely carried out with an intention to leave a habitable planet in place to conquer. THIS is the closest we see to a BDZ on screen in either franchise

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    any one tried to guage firepower of indivudual shots by scaling the shockwaves visible on the planet? is that possible?

    http://ds9.trekcore.com/media/scripts/321.txt
    http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=52&page=20
     
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