Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    For the LOVE OF GOD, THE QUOTE COMES FROM THE OFFICIAL STAR WARS WEBSITE!

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    Again! http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/news/news20080317.html

    Last question asked to Lucas:

    The question the man asked is in bold. Lucas's respons follows.

    There you have it. EU is not canon.


    Were you born stupid, or does your mother let you lick paint?

    Again, non-canon.
     
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  3. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    Because the Maquis is a terrorist group that was formed by civilians who did not want to leave their home when the de-miliaterized zone was created. This meant that the UFP would get the planets on one side of the zone, and the Cardassians on the other part. These zones fell under Cardassian rule because the people did not want to leave their planets, despite the UFP offering them new homes.

    This caused them to leave, they then performed terrorist attacks upon Cardassians, killing many inocent ones along with the guilty ones. Thus, the UFP cut all ties from them and declared them terrorists. The Cardassians often hunted them down, and the UFP themselves have captured and imprisoned them when they could.
     
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  5. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I can prove it check this
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Open_Circle_Fleet
    and this website
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse_(ship)
    The hyperdrive is still alot faster than the stupid warpdrive of Star Trek! I am not talking about the stupid empire i am talking about, old republic and CIS.
     
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  7. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    How about the galatic Republic? is that canon yes it is! and everystory before Anakin died is canon by your qoute. so there is the center point station, acient sith weapons, and much more? are they canon by your quote?
     
  8. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    So dose the CIS, they are manipulated by Sidious.
     
  9. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Lets see the Federation beat the CIS? can they no! they simpily don't have the forces to do so!
     
  10. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    No, it isn't. Your reading skills are terrible.


    First off, there is this:
    Here he presents three different worlds. The world he created, which is Star Wars, the world that the books and the games created, which is EU, and the last one is the fan's world, which is basicly fannon. He does not state they are at any point, the same world.

    The second point is that Lucas wasn't talking about EU at all. He is replying to the idea of EU canon being used for his movies...which he says, there is nothing after episode 6, because the story ends there. His skywalker mentioning is somewhat strange, but he easily clarified his position with the words that I pointed out above.

    In essence, EU is not canon. It never has been, and never will be.
     
  11. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    No, the CIS rebelled against the Republic, which is not the same government as the Empire.
     
  12. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Okay i get the picture! how about CIS and Republic? it is more likey that the federation is gonna attack the republic or CIS, there is a problem quote" Long, Long time ago, in a galaxy far away....." The Federation can solve the Long Long time ago part by time travel but how about the "Galaxy far away" part? it would take the federation centries to get there with warp drive. the CIS didn't "rebelled aginst the Republic" they attack them without negociations, they wanted to rule the republic! it is not the same govement but it is used by Sidious to get the clone army and from the empire is it not? is it not that Darth Tyrance (count dooku) the leader of the CIS?
     
  13. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    And of course, that would turn true against the Empire as well, since their starships wouldn't likely be able to reach the UFP's either. More likely, a wormhole of sorts would open between them and a war would begin.



    More likely hundreds of centuries. And Imperial soldiers would be very old by the time that they themselves might reach the UFP, only to find a more advanced opponent, and with younger warriors.


    That's what a rebellion is, an attack against current authority.

    The CIS and the Republic had a civil war. The Republic was the authority in the SW galaxy, and the CIS challenged that authority. This lead to war. Thus, it was a rebellion. This rebellion however, was a front for Palpatine to take over the Empire by destroying the Jedi Order and transforming the government, but not via civil war. He then changed the order of things, until it was a twisted version of the Republic; the Galactic Empire.
     
  14. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, check www.starwars.com/databank/
    you will find that the CIS is manipulated by Sidious. You are forgetting that i said Republic vs Federation republic troops are CLONES, and CIS troops are Droids, they are always new because they were powned by the clones all the time. Star Trek itself said there is no wormholes outside milky way http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Wormholes By the time they reach the star wars galaxy they would have alot higher technology than hundreds of centries before. bare in mind that SW wormholes are Hyperspace wormholes not normal ones, Hyperspace wormholes.
     
  15. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    I KNOW that.


    The point of a vs debate is to pit the two powers. It would be fucking retarded to NOT have a wormhole, or other form of gateway that allows the two to fight in a realistic display of what both sides can do. Using this distance crap as proof that Star Wars would win is fundementally flawed. You have no idea that Star Wars is even within the same universe (it isn't), or the distance.

    In essence, a gateway of some sort must be present for any worthwhile debate.
     
  16. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    He did it not only via cvil war, but also via Vader, if there is no Vader and Cvil war then no Empire.( remember that Anakin is the one that saved the queen and her crew on tatooin, so if the queen didn't arrive Palpatine won't be chanceller ) And if there is no war he can't get an clone army then he have nothing to threaten the rebles with.
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    you are right it would be dumb to not have a wormhole, but we are arguing about the republic vs federation. Who's gonna start the war? more likely the federation. so if federation is the one to attack the are they ones that have to wait all the years to transport their troops, not the republic.
     
  18. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    bare in mind that hyperdrives can travel a galaxy in 1-3 days, so it would take about 2years for the Republic to arrive but for the Federation about hundreds of centries
     
  19. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    Star Wars movies are better, thats why there are more fans! and Star Wars music is so better, check Across the Stars and Battle of the heroes, they are alot better then Star Trek soundtracks
     
  20. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    I thought Battle of the heroes was the only good soundtrack.

    ST movies pervay a sort of deep philisophical and moral meaning in many ways in which SW movies never could hope to.

    And ST music gives me more of an emotional/goose bumbs feeling, (anyone know what I mean?)
     
  21. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    No, they wouldn't. They are peaceful. And it doesn't matter, they'd still lose. The Republic may have had better soldiers, but the GE had better ships.
     
  22. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    So Skywalkerjedi, I'm curious, just how much star trek have you seen?


    "Starfleet is not a police force, they don't do around arresting people, do they? do they investiate theivery? no! if the federation is not corrupt why the Maquis leave?" No, not exactly, it's more of a high level thing, sort of a cross between interpol and UNpeacekeepers... much like the jedi, only without the mysyicism
     
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  23. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    The federation has NEVER started a war. If any human organization was to start a war, I'd be Section 31.
     
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