Star Wars vs Star Trek

Ironic, because Xeelee also break physics, with their own existence. Oooh, a baby Q is able to hurl small planets out of their orbit, is this all? Xeelee hurl GALAXIES, no Q has EVER demonstrated anything like it. Quinn was trapped in an ASTEROID. And the Feds broke it. Hilarious because Xeelee > Xeelee Sequence humans > 31st century humans, and 24th century humans saved a Q. From what I know, the Q Civil War destroyed a few stars, the Xeelee, destroyed galaxies like they were bullets.

 

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Quinn was trapped in an asteroid because the rest of the Continuum put him there... not because of some accident or something.

And yes, the Q Civil War destroyed a few stars... by accident. It was never intended to affect normal space. Recall, to fire a Q-Weapon in realspace = instant supernova... and this is something a normal human can pick up and use without ill effect...

Q don't just destroy galaxies... they can make entire universes cease to exist. What don't you understand about that? Galaxy < Universe mate... by far.

 

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Oh, pot-kettle-black all over again. stvsw.net is SOOO biased, it's NOT funny. Questioning Lucas on his own work. Suggesting the Death Star used a chain reaction that did 20 gigatons is SOOO biased, but SD.net suggesting that the DS did 1E38Joules is CRAZY. Even though it uses videos and pictures, OOOOOH, SD.net is wrong when it's uses sources, but butthurt Trekville st-v-sw.net tries EVERYTHING in its power to make SW look weak, OOOOOH, HOW UNBIASED.

 

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Of course the Q would use alternate realities... the "true" time travel is precisely the same linear misinterpretation of causal chains I was talking about before....

Alright, philosophy lesson: If time was segmented into moments or points, like on a graph, then movement would not be possible. Take a look at Zeno's Paradoxes for the proofs. If you try to quantify time then you already have lost touch with your perception of it. This is because time is transition and duration and nothing returns to exactly the same state.

 

Prove it. ANY sources? Besides, Manifold > Q then, because they own the multiverse, why does it matter? Because Stephen Baxter made both Xeelee and Manifold.

 

Dude, just shut the fuck up ok? SD.net has nothing to back it up - I lurked there for a long while trying to see where they pulled their numbers from, and I DID learn - they pull em from their ass.

Read the goddamned site before you open that pie hole of a mouth you have - review the math, review the videos, still frames, and evidence. What is supposition is listed. What is cold hard fact is obvious. The guy even SAYS when he is unsure of his own calculations or when there is more than one possible solution.

What more could he do to be unbiased? Simply give the win to Star Wars even though the numbers add up to a Trek victory? That's not being unbiased - that's called stubborn.

Damn dude... really... read, comprehend, think, analyze, then talk. It'll save you a LOT of trouble later on in life.

 

Time travel is a big no no for the Federation. Screwing around with time can have disasterous effects for the present and the future. That is the reason that the Temporal Prime Directive was put in place with the Federation's future timeships acting as a police force that prevents travelers from tampering with the various timelines.

What is with you and your raw firepower obssession? Don't you remember that the most destructive weapon on earth, the nuclear bomb, is at its core just a run-away chain reaction on steroids (atoms colliding with each other and releasing enormous amounts of energy)? It is heavy firepower in the form of an incredibly fast chain reaction.

 

Look at This

Just look at how much evidence it provides.

 

I have proven it, but to satisfy you:

As stated in the show:

-the Q Continuum, is accessible only on the rare occasions permitted, and the true nature of it is said to be beyond the comprehension of "lesser beings" such as humans. As a result, what was seen while in the continuum is what the Q allowed them to perceive so as to protect them

From Hide and Q - The Q "have the ability to warp reality at a whim", ranging from appearing in any place they choose to "rearranging the cosmos themselves"

Inferred from multiple episodes - it is suggested that the Q have evolved, since long before the Big Bang, to their current state, and that possibly they were like humans very early on

ST- Tapestry - One member of the Q once referred to a "New Era" among the Continuum, during which an important change occurred in the species. No further details were given.

The Continuum is on a separate plane of existence and thus not subject to linear time as normal space is.

It has been suggested by Quinn that when the Q gave up their physicality and achieved their godlike powers, they also gave up any chance of growth or evolution since change was unnecessary.

They usually appear as human simply because they can assume any form they wish, and when interacting with humans they usually appear as one of them to make the humans feel more comfortable.

In the episode "All Good Things..." Q mentions that Picard is destined to explore existence itself. Q's meaning of that statement has never been explained in any episode or movie of Star Trek.

Star Trek Trivia - Q was based in part on the Time Lords from the British sci fi series, Doctor Who

VOY - Death Wish - "Well, isn't this just fine! Humans aren't supposed to be in this quadrant for 100 years!" -- Q (indicating omnipotence)

VOY - Death Wish - I call myself to the stand" [snaps fingers] -- Q
* [there is a flash and a duplicate Q appears]
* "Tada!" -- duplicate Q

VOY - Death Wish - "One thing you have never been... is a liar" -- Janeway
* "I think you may have uncovered my one redeeming virtue! Am I blushing?" -- Q


VOY - The Q and the Grey - "Oh, I see! This is one of those silly human rituals. You're playing hard to get!" -- Q
* "As far as you're concerned, Q, I'm impossible to get." -- Janeway
* "Goody! A challenge! This is going to be fun!" -- Q

VOY - The Q and the Grey - "What are you doing with that dog?" -- Female Q
* [Q and Janeway look at the dog in Janeway's lap]
* "I'm not talking about the puppy." -- Female Q (shows a sense of humor)

BTW - proof of SD.nets idiocy:

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=14300

They HONESTLY think Han Solo can take on Q... they "prove" this by picking two episodes (out of a dozen he appears), including the one where he is stripped of his powers, which is definitely not a "normal" state for him...

Yeah, SD.net is TOTALLY unbiased... Solo would kick Q's ass... right. Sure...

 

Hmmm... stay in present time... see the possibilities for the future and shape it... Oh Look.... you have Dune's prescience in a nut shell. Temporal shielding is pretty much bred into the Dune universe after Siona in God Emperor of Dune, as well.

Raw power doesn't mean anything. It's where and how power is applied that matters. Take that grenade and try to set a prairie on fire... oh wait... we have a match.... versatility is what is important.

So if that is the method they take, it should be no problem generating a short lived alliance to take them down.

In addition, the Deleks would be reminders of the Machine Crusade.... voila! you have a jihad on your hands....

 

Actually, there is a big primary flaw with that - if you watch, there isn't any debris until a few seconds after the initial "flare", and that debris is moving significantly slower than any factor of C... even the initial light-burst (whatever it may be, even if it's a vapor cloud) is not moving all that fast or else it'd be off-screen near instantly...

And this was actually covered in MUCH greater detail on ST-vs-SW.net...

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWalderaan.html

 

BTW - proof of SD.net's link redirection can be found here:
http://www.st-v-sw.net/BB/BBindex.html

We'll use the second link as an example:

The word is called, and the link is to this page:
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=6773

However, if you click on it, it brings you to a porn site.

Tiny URL or some other trick, right?

Wrong.

Right click-> copy link location.

Open a new tab, and paste that in your address bar, hit enter.

Surprise! It takes you to sd.net after all.

Kinda proves that SD.net is playing down and dirty games, no?

 

Aighty, it's 3:10 am here... I have class at 8am... I'm going to go to bed... which I should have done HOURS ago!

 

Yes, the MOOSE is a very powerful creature from Invader Zim.

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Actually, those scenes are from the show itself. Watching Earth being deflated like a beach ball with epic music is so fun!

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Wow, that is amazing. Just goes to show what nine years had done for technology. Ah, here we go, the first episode of Invader Zim The Nightmare Begins Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S28LQYiJq0

And how was said galaxy busted? Where was the Construction Material in the galaxy? etc. just saying it withstood a galaxy buster means nothing unless we know the details of the event in question.

The Irkens can throw around Armada's that mass as much as galaxies thanks to their insane industry. And they can do it over and over again and again. Unless the Xeelee can attack the industrial centers of the Irken Empire back in their home universe the Irkens can spam the Xeelee to death.

Quantify how and what destroyed the galaxies please.

Interesting. Can they use it in combat?

3m handguns less powerful then the smallest cap ship in the Irken fleet. What types of ships do the Xeelee have and how much does the power vary between each class?

Lets see, you said a Xeelee AI had to gather materials and then took an entire week to rebuild Earth, correct? A single Irken has shown greater industry then that in a time span of minutes.

The Irkens have the firepower, the numbers, and the industry to steamroll most other sci-fi's. Plus, given how the Xeelee are suppose to be teh masters of the entire universe isn't it a tiny bit silly they got stuck in a 20,000 year war with humanity and didn't just wipe the Photino Birds out at the start of the universe? I don't really have enough information on the Xeelee's enemies but given what the Xeelee are capable of they should have stomped both of them long ago. Of course if there is something I do not know of just bring it up and we can drop this part.

 

BTW - anyone curious to see SD.net's true nature (and indeed, Wong and Oussus's true nature) should read through these:

http://www.st-v-sw.net/BB/BBindex.html

Kinda shows just which party is the more intelligent here

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well I'm not touching the site anyway. Five of my sources indicate to me that that site is NOT secure :/ So basically nobody should use it.
and ENOM, INC. might be a pretty good company. But they are lazy when it comes to examining the security of sites for which they provide certificates.

 

there's no use in trying to make ricrery understand about time, time-travel, zero, infinity, C etc., or any science related to those things. I recommended an extremely good book for him to study, and he tried to find excuses why he couldn't read it. So there's no point in wasting our finger movements trying to explain to him.

 

heh...galactic conquest with a smidgen of slapstick thrown in for good measure

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wait, what site are you saying is not secure?

I mean, if you want to get technical, no website is "secure"... you DO have a good firewall/antivirus right?

 

the one that you mentioned - st-v-sw site. That company I mentioned is the registrar of the st-v-sw site.

well I'm talking about basic server security. Which it seems, they don't have.

Yes I do. And much more than that.

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