Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    Now you are just being silly. Anything that uses energy has a frequency. Even light and sound!

    First of all, they DID have dampening fields. When they did what I said, it was only because they matched the energy signatures of the shuttle craft with the dampening fields. Then when they were PAST the barrier, they transported aboard. It's easier said than done of course.
     
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  3. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    what you're saying doesn't make sense. Suit or no suit, anybody is a traget where the Borg are concerned, not to mention the Jem'Hadar. And force or no force, he is still human, rather what left of him. And since he is still bound by flesh, he is vulnerable. He is also vulnerable to any weapons fire. He doesn't have tech on his suit that can create an energy shield.

    And as I said before, if anybody (from STU) deploys mines with replicator units, there's no way anything can get past them, short of a supernova. And again, if somebody infiltrates even a ship which Vader is on, all they have to do is deploy those small subspace mines. Easy.
     
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  5. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yes,but trek shields work specifically on frequency,which is why the borg can adapt!
    star wars shields don't work that way,and even if they would,large capital ships
    work on both energy blocking shields as well as matter blocking shields.
    and they obviously are more advance,because an Executor class can withstand a full star destroyer crashing on it's shields, while the hull remains without a scratch!
     
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  7. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    i do make sens,cuz Vader,as human as he is, has an increase immunity that will reject the nanoprobes,and his suit is impend in the force,which will also reject the nanoprobes!
    they can't get on board,the transporters would be blocked!
    as for the mines with replicator units,if you systematically destroy them with
    a well executed attack with a high speed,you can bypass the point in which
    the replicators can no longer sustain the minefield! complicated,but effective!
     
  8. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    no you can't. No matter where you start destroying the mines, others, that haven't been destroyed yet, will replicate to replace the ones that are lost.

    As far the Force is concerned, since Vader, and all the others who use the force for light or dark purposes, are still coorporial, they can't defeat entities like the Pah'Wraith or the other true Prophets. Even if the host of a Pah'Wraith or other Prophet is destroyed, it will move on to another. The prophets, whether we are talking about the true ones or the false ones, can overcome anything, because they are not bound by a coorporial form, like Vader and the others.

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    And if Vader sheds his coorporial form to escape destruction by the prophets, he could not do anything, because he would not be an entity like the prophets, he would only be a spirit.
     
  9. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    infiltration can happen in ANY manner. I'm talking about people going undercover as workers or low ranked officers, for example. Hell, even a shapshifter can get onboard unnoticed.
     
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  10. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yes you can if the attack overwhelms the replicators capabilities!
    actually,he could, but he never got the chance!
    Palpatine ,for example, could posses another body and escape death,and could do the things you talk about!

    as for the force,it is more than enough to defeat the Pah'Wraith,considering it
    can be use to induce a star supernova!
    but the only noblemen is that using so much of the Force in one body would
    totally destroy the owner!
    and the part with the Force and Vader's suit is holding ground cuz the Force
    is in EVERYTHING!
    that includes the nanoprobes,the Borg and everything else!
     
  11. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    you really think someone could go by Vader and Palpatine and not being notice

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    first of all,Vader can read the mind!
    second,EVERY crew member of an imperial ship that Vader is on board is influenced by the Dark Side,therefor making any such attempt useless!
     
  12. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    only problem is, the prophets exists out of time and space.

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    yeah, well since we are talking about two different universes, you can't apply the force to the STU. The Force, among other things, can't be used in a cross-over between ST/SW.

    Well if they could possess other bodies that would be interesting. Because even if they are locked in battle with a Pah'Wraith for instance, the result would be a massive explosion. Since somebody (who uses the force) in the SWU, after death, would NOT be outside of time and space like the prophets, they would cease to exist. But the Prophets would remain.

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  13. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    existing outside of Time and Space is impossible; time-space is existence itself! The fact that the Pah'Wraith and the Prophets can interact with the physical universe obviously implies they exist,therefor are inside space-time;
    actually that's a misunderstanding,cuz there is nothing outside space-time,
    since existence can occur only inside space-time.

    and even if it would not be so,how do you know that a Force ghost will not survive????
     
  14. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    it is possible. The Prophets aren't just simple souls. Don't say it's impossible, because you don't know everything. Keep your mind open! Only if you are athiest, would you say its impossible. Lets take our world for example. We, as souls, exists outisde of space and time. Because in our natural form we exist independent of what we call 'space'. Also, there is no such thing as time. There is no such thing as past and future. Clocks were made because mortal minds don't have the capacity to understand the idea of an 'eternal now'.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I know this is a science fiction thread but:
    That's an assumption (with no evidence), as are "souls".

    That's unprovable nonsense.

    That is sheer nonsense.

    That is demonstrably nonsense.
     
  16. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    i don't know everything,but say they are from another dimension,not
    outside space-time!
    we don't exist outside space-time,we are in space-time!
    and time indeed exist,the best minds of out times all agree on it,who are you to
    deny them?
    and I AM AN ATHEIST! not a "athiest"!

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  17. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    See? when you have a closed mind, and keep depending on the coorporeal, you can't have an open mind.

    First of it's not nonsense. THERE IS NO TIME. There is no past or future. Only an eternal now! Counting time was created by humans to make things simple. But it's not simple!

    No it's not demonstratable nonsense. You are human and as such you have the need to simplify things that cannot be simplified! Stop depending on human inventions like clocks and calendars. Only then will you free your mind.
     
  18. Apocalypse2001 System Lord Registered Senior Member

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    Who am I?? I'm someone that doesn't bind himself by trying to logically disprove something that cannot be explained with primative human constructs. Time does not exist!! When you stopthinking like a mortal you'll understand. But if you keep saying "no no no" you'll never understand.
     
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  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And when you spout evident nonsense you get called on it.

    Totally wrong. What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

    But it is demonstrably nonsense: the Earth moves around the Sun giving us years, the Earth rotates on its axis giving us days: both of these support the notion of time - all clocks do is delineate shorter periods.

    I'm a huge science fiction fan (from before you were born) but at least I'm capable of distinguishing fiction from fact, and science from unsupported belief.
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    By definition it's the only way we can think (and you too).

    And if you prefer unsubstantiated belief over demonstrable evidence you'll never understand.
     
  21. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    time exist in an eternity, but it dose exist!
    you may think yourself open minded,but this dose not prove anything that time
    dose not exist!
    Prove it!
     
  22. razordude ouch. Registered Senior Member

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    what are you talking about time doesn't exist!?!
     
  23. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    corporeal is all we have, and as long as you can't prove the nonexistence of time,it is all that you have!
    yes,to make things simple!
    without it we could not measure, calculate or do virtually anything!
    Light years depend on this,star trek shields uses frequencies which needs
    to be measured in time,so do phasers, space flight etc.
    now you are insulting the entire human species!what? you think you have a free mind if you reject the passing of time? this is total nonsense !!!!
    stop this now!
     
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