Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    So? They're the only canon example we have of weapon yields.
     
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  3. antaran_1979 Registered Senior Member

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    what facts were those?
    if only 3 ships chased the Falcon, and Vader ordered all availabe ships to do it, this would mean the rest of the flotila (at least 10 ships) were disabled.
    as i said check the movie. the ships hit, is not alone and it was escorting the SSD, not hunting for Solo.
     
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  5. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I concur Antaran.
    Not Avenger...this is not even a valid point to question.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Well put mate
     
  8. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    That's lower limit too. Geordie is likely to know the output of a phaser rifle much more than Kira is, and his statement has them at 1.05 megawatts, which means that setting eight would be 0.065625 megawatts.

    Now, take 150 megawatts, divide it by 0.065625 megawatts, and you get 2,742.9. Then we take this number, and multiply it by 4,200 megawatts. That gives us 11,520,000 megawatts, or 11,520 gigawatts worth of firepower.

    Now, we multiply this number by 933. That gives us 10,748,160 gigawatts, or 10,748.16 terrawatts. Interestingly enough, that would give us the lower, but within ball park estimation of what the Daystrom Institute has put up for the Galaxy class (he suspects the Enterprise D to puyt out 100,000 terrawatts). Given that it would be powered by antimatter, rather than what the rifles carry, this would seem to work out fairly well.
     
  9. Fox Anderson Registered Member

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    Thanks for people who proved my point about firepower in my previous post. While a Super Star Destroyer might be able to put up a fight for a while just due to shear size and has a slim chance of managing to take out 1 ship from ST its slim chance would be to concentrate even all of its firepower on that one ship and thats if the ship didn't dodge it. The ST ship by the way wouldn't even have to worry about the little tie fighters. They don't have shields at all and their max weaponry is in the sub kiloton range and sub megawatt range. So the fact that it has squadrons of fighters makes no difference since they can't do anything but crash into the Star Trek ships shields with little to no effect. While even a Super star destroyer would be able to survive for maybe half an hour just due to shear size (the thing is gargantuan to the point of being unreasonable) It would still be destined to be turned into slag vs. a ST ship unless they hyper spaced out which would be their only option.
     
  10. Fox Anderson Registered Member

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    Anyone notice how in the Star Wars galaxy 1000 years ago they had all kinds of cool technology but in current day they seem to either forget stuff or just flat out loose the tech? At this rate they will be back in the stone age again in about 500 to another 1000 years. Same goes for force users. The sith and jedi of old were powerful beyond belief yet that knowledge has been lost. Seems to be too many Yoda types out there. "Oh hes too old to teach" and when they do teach its substandard training. No wonder Star Wars galaxy is having problems.
     
  11. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I have noticed that...Star Wars is quite backward with technology. There are many things that sould already have happened for a galaxy that has been in space for ten thousand years or more.
     
  12. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Heres an analsis of the R2 D2 strike by those "powerful" TIE fighter lasers....
     
  13. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Checkmate indeed. This was one of the Biggest lies that TWSCOTT found himself cornered in after he cornered himself by saying that the Naboo fighter was brought down by something other than a simple tank. Obviously that was false and he perpetuated the lie, never giving in to his error.

    You really shouldn't trust anything he says...
    He's done this at least FIVE times....

    On the Defiant speed issue...
    The naboo fighter destruction
    The 5 million Isoton Borg mine...


    He simply doesn't know any better nor wish to be corrected. I've accepted this. As a result the TWSCOTT issue is essentially settled as unreliable.
     
  14. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    That is a TIE/i the worst kind. Check TIE predetor and TIE interceptor.
     
  15. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    No offence TW Scott, but it is true, I gotta admit it. You did lie a couple of times. I think you can regain trust by admitting you lied and don't do it again.
    I don't get how people think he is mad, I don't, he just need more chances.
     
  16. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I got two answers for your problems, one is solusion to the saga, one is the solusion the movies ( If you know what I mean, if not please tell me the right way to word it, I would appreciate it )

    First, when Star Wars is first made, they made it look not very cool, because the made animation for the ships, but they are better.

    Second, the Empire can't afford millions of Star Destroyers that look cool and powerful at the same time, what am I trying to say is that they chose power over the looks.

    Third, if you look at the EU stuff, which is C-Canon but also canon. You will find that they improved alot.

    Here is some examples of improvment. In the Star Forge era, their blasters cannons are weak and heavy, even Leia's sporting blasters are more powerful. Their Hyperdrive is rated 30, but they improved it to 0.5 ( the lower the faster ). Lightsabers are lighter. Power cells are stronger.
     
  17. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    It is suprising that R2-D2 survived more than 170 years ( their years are longer by a couple of weaks or days ).
     
  18. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    UFP will never beat the CIS, so don't even talk about Clones before they beat CIS. Wonderd why the CIS droids are always new, the Clone Army kept destroying them.
     
  19. SkywalkerJedi アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) Registered Senior Member

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    I argee Threed Fighters are the worst in the world. Check ARC Starfighters, they are awesome.
     
  20. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    Thing is he's had like 450 pages of chances...
     
  21. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually the flotilla of ships total enters 70 or so, if you count the six escort cruisers has for each ISD. However no two ships in the Empire would have the same name at the same time. Much like in the Federation. If the script, intent, and novelization states that the Avenger took the asteroid hit, then it took the hit. This means one of two things:

    A: The Avwengers was not destroyed. It may have been damaged. But not destroyed.

    or

    B: The Empire has the capabilities to produce, crew, and a fuel a ship in the span of two days. Not to mention the transit time to asteroid field.


    Either one is bad for Star Trek in a war, though the first is much, much more palatable.
     
  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Excuse me but in the scene, the fighters left the hangar in a mass group, the third one outr did fall to earth in a fiery crash after being shot in the engine. However as we saw in the hangar of the Droid Ship, the Threed fighter's shields are completely visible in atmosphere. There were no visible shields on the ships flying out of the hangar. Finally the main gun of the Federation tanks is a starship level weapon itself.

    What is so hard to understand here?
     
  23. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    If thats a starship level weapon, your in worse trouble than I imagined
     
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