Man Beheads Wife in 'Honor' Killing

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  1. GeoffP

    GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Sam will now do us the service of explaining away numbers, perhaps.

    It should be a particularly fascinating exercise given this, from the same source:

    What will the tool of choice be? Colonialism? Misinterpretation? Islamophobia?

    Not...inexactitude and carelessness, certainly?
     
    GeoffP, Feb 22, 2009
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  3. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why restrict yourself? Look up Jews and the hellenistic slave trade, Jews and the roman slave trade, Jews and the Arab slave trade, Jews and the European slave trade, Jews and the American slave trade. Look up the families in Barbados who got rich running slave ships.

    And while you're at it look up judaism and what the Jewish religion says about slavery.

    Slavery is a rich mans trade and poor men as many Arabs were before 1920 don't really run the slave trade ships.

    Let's see how objective you are in your stand against slavery.
     
    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  5. GeoffP

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    Tooooo late. You fucked up.

    As for my stand against slavery, it is complete, irrespective of the parties.

    So again: where did those almost 20 million people go?
     
    GeoffP, Feb 22, 2009
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  7. S.A.M.

    S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Check the genes of the "Arabs":

    It's not surprising that slave trade picked up in the Berbers after the Jews migrated there. Jews have a history of slave trade going back thousands of years
     
    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  8. GeoffP

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    ...oh? So what does this do to your 'pan-Arab' stance on the genetic integrity of Palestinians, out of curiousity?

    So do most peoples, Sam; at least as long as their history. Don't get too bent out of shape about it. It's more important what's happening now, to be honest.
     
    GeoffP, Feb 22, 2009
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  9. S.A.M.

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    What's happening now is that you're no longer interested in discussing Nebi Musa and trasferring violence to the descendents of imaginary oppressors by Jews from European countries.

    Palestinians are still natives. They did not leave until the Jews forced them to become refugees. None of which has anything to do with a 4000 year history of slave trade in the Jews and their racist gene oriented putative rights to other people homes

    Not to mention nothing to do with this thread
     
    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  10. GeoffP

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    What's happening is that under gentle argument, your thesis has broken down. You are now casting about - as you have been much throughout - for something smacking of reasonability to thrust at me, as you might hold off a lion or a bear with a flaming brand.

    Yet, indeed, we have got a bit off topic here, largely at the instigation of your "co-conspirator" (if you'll excuse the pun), DH, who is a dolt, and not your fault. I will let you up.
     
    GeoffP, Feb 22, 2009
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  11. S.A.M.

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    Unless you're advocating the murder of all Jews for the next 4000 years based on their history and religion, you don't have a point to make here
     
    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  12. GeoffP

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    It is fundamentally inconceivable on what basis you would argue this.

    This thread is off-topic. I am attempting to return it to its course.
     
    GeoffP, Feb 22, 2009
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  13. S.A.M.

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    as the intention of this thread has degenerated to pointing out the evils of
    Muslims you'll find it's completely on course.

    Much like any other thread about Muslims on this forum
     
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    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  14. GeoffP

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    Rather, about using islamic religious law throughout civil law. You speak yourself of its misapprehensions; are we not likewise permitted to do so?
     
    GeoffP, Feb 22, 2009
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  15. S.A.M.

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    Are we still talking about the OP?
     
    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  16. PieAreSquared

    PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    PieAreSquared, Feb 22, 2009
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  17. S.A.M.

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    yet another conservative anti-jihad blogger who gets erections at the thoght of Muslims being bombed, no doubt
     
    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  18. Bells

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    There is one thing that irks me greatly, in fact, it angers the hell out of me, when people attempt to deny their own history. Especially when people blame the history of others for something while blithely ignoring that their own history are also guilty of the very same thing. As a descendant of a slave, I find your refusal to accept and own your religious history to be not only insulting, but also downright ignorant. What makes it even worse is that you dare call African slaves your "African brothers", but deny that people belonging to your own religion not only enslaved them, but also forced them to convert in many instances, further denying them their freedom and their freedom of choice.../sneer..

    Muslims took a huge part in the slave trade, owned slaves, sold slaves, freed slaves, and took on slaves. It was going on for a hell of a long time before the Europeans started on the vile practice. In fact, some still continue it to this day. Now, you might very well be ignorant of your own religious history, or you are choosing to ignore the bad bits for some ungodly reason. But the simple fact of the matter is that slavery was as much a part of Islam's history as it was a part of Spanish or American history.

    Indeed. It is. And it is an equally pathetic sickness of your mind to attempt to ignore you religious history and its activities when it comes to slavery because you live in some deluded world where your people can do no wrong. Well let me tell you now, they not only took part in it, they also gained wealth from it.

    So before you deflect your own shame and attempt to blame the West for being the only ones to take part in the slave trade, remember that not only did Muslims take part in it, they took part in it for much longer than the West did and some still continue to take part in it today in Africa.

    My god, you really are ignorant. Slavery was not solely to the US. It was also to many parts of the Middle East and to other parts of Africa and Europe as well as to Asia.

    So you're saying that Muslims from the Middle East who came into Central Africa were only doing as Roman's do (when in Rome..) and taking African slaves under the pretext that it was as a 'spoil of war'?

    Your taking the 'victories of war' is the same as coming in at the dead of night and stealing men and women, as well as children and putting them on ships. Many were taken that way to be slaves to Muslims. Muslim slave masters were also in many respects, cruel to their slaves. Children born of those 'captives' were not free, but were in fact slaves. The only exception to the rule was that Muslims could not be taken as slaves.. which makes the ancestors of your religion to be almost racist as well.. Conversion to Islam while a slave did not guarantee your freedom..

    You want to balk at slavery, but you are only interested in ranting about slaves taken to the US. Because well, the US is the enemy, is it not? We'll forget that other countries also took slaves.. we'll forget that Muslims also took part in the slave trade. Remembering that doesn't serve a purpose, does it? If you want to get angry about slavery, why don't you get angry at your Muslim "African brothers" who are still practicing it in Africa? Oh wait.. they're not American, so it's all right.

    While slavery is indeed a crime and always will be, the greatest crime was not it. The greatest crime that continues to this day is those who attempt to deny its existence when it comes to their own.

    They were puppets to the British royal house 1000 years ago?

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    Don't you get it yet? Muslims were well into trading Africans as slaves long before the Europeans even set foot on the African continent.

    My false portrayal of Islam? That's laughable!

    At least I am not the one denying what is a very distinct and direct part of my history. Americans came to understand that slavery was wrong. Your attempts to not only deny its existence in your own religious history is insulting to the descendants of the slaves that were traded, but your attempts to blithely act as if your religious ancestors are completely free from blame are ignorant in the extreme.
     
    Bells, Feb 22, 2009
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  19. S.A.M.

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    Slaves were traded between Africans long before Islam. They still are.
     
    S.A.M., Feb 22, 2009
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  20. PieAreSquared

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    Sam

    No .. I thought he made a good point.
     
    PieAreSquared, Feb 23, 2009
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  21. Bells

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    Indeed.

    And attempting to deny it or state that Muslims did not take part in it and trying to blame it solely on the West is illogical and ignorant in my opinion.
     
    Bells, Feb 23, 2009
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  22. S.A.M.

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    The difference being that slaves held court positions in the Muslim world and were not selected for being an inferior race or colour. Not that it's a justification, but we still have servants in India. Western slavery was entirely different and based on race and colour.
     
    S.A.M., Feb 23, 2009
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  23. PieAreSquared

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    in regards to Jesus's actions and Mohammad's ... yes

    actions speak louder than words
     
    PieAreSquared, Feb 23, 2009
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