God:the early answer to a problem?

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  1. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Could you give me your definition of 'consciousness' please ?
     
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  3. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks, that wasn't so painful was it?

    The mush you find when you crack open a cocoon.
     
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  5. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    simplest explanation is a definition of death, since the presence of death necessitates the absence of consciousness.
     
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  7. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    why do you say it is not conscious?
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Not quite, computers can learn for themselves all they need is a basic programming (-> DNA, if you will).
    http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2005/022305/Humanoid_robots_walk_naturally_022305.html
    http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/learningrobots.html

    I don't have to:
    Consciousness has not been shown to exhibit any scope for application or existence outside of the life forms that utilize it.

    Why do you need consciousness to make a wrong move ?

    Do bacteria talk about making a wrong move ?
     
  9. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    If my tv breaks, does that tell me how it works ?
     
  10. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    it does tell you what it means to have a functional tv however
     
  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    So if someone dies it tells you what it means to be alive ?
    Then what does it mean ?
     
  12. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    are these computers happy to be learning new things?
    Or is it the computer programmers who are happy?
    you jump the gun
    consciousness has not been shown (mechanistically speaking) full stop.
    because consciousness also includes a sense of self ("I")

    they certainly exhibit a different sense of self when they are alive (as opposed to when they are dead)
     
  13. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    What [valid] definition of consciousness do you claim it falls under?
     
  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    So the simplest definition of life is a definition of death...

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  15. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    certainly

    it means you can indicate an opposite state of being by introducing its absence.
    For instance you can indicate light by dimming it
    You can indicate warmth by turning off the heater - etc etc
     
  16. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    the simplest, yes
    much like the simplest definition of heat would involve turning off the heater
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Are bacteria happy ? Are plants ?

    Yet you use it to define life..

    Why do you need a sense of self to make a wrong move ?

    Certainly ? Bacteria have an ego ? That is news to me... link ?
     
  18. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    What is the definition of light ?
     
  19. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    its existence cannot be sufficiently detailed by mechanistic/inorganic analysis

    IOW reducing a mashed up cocoon to its bare material elements does not grant a result identical to reducing a still living mashed up cocoon to its bare elements (the living one can proceed to give rise to a metamorphised moth whereas the dead cocoon will not give rise to anything like that in a million years)
     
  20. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Sigh... somehow I hoped for a scientific definition, not some local explanation.
     
  21. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    once again, the easiest way to explain it would be to turn off the light
     
  22. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Umm... classic bullshit :bugeye:

    Under what [valid] definition of consciousness do you claim it falls?
     
  23. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    consciousness is the very thing we are seeing with - defining it in a local way is probably the only option available, at least for one in conditioned life
     

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