Star Wars vs Star Trek

Eclipse SD are larger than a SSD and have a super laser capable of slagging a planet with one shot.

 

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Warp was a concept long before Star Trek. As was graviton. Isolinear does exist it mean same or one line. The prefix iso- means same or one. Just the over use of that term alone is enough to let you know that ST writers were just writing dialog based on what sounded cool. Even under suspension of disblief this means they have Photn torpedoes that are ~25 tons of TNT.

Trust me the scientific community does not speak like they do in Star trek. They write like it, but don't actually speak it.

 

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TW...did you actually highlight "redundant power supply"???

Are you insane, or just woefully underqualified for your job as a systems administrator? Any server's redundant power supply is actually a second (or third...) wall-outlet fed power module. It is not a battery. I repeat not a battery. Is anyone home TW? It...is...not...a...battery! Have you ever worked in a datacenter?

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TW, the analogy is correct...on top of which if you ever find a miraculous, exception to the rule to render my analogy inaccurate, the claim was correct in any event. Merely because a technology exists on a smaller device does not allude it exists on a larger. The yellow scoutship's shields says nothing about an ISD's shield capability.

 

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And for all that lack of trouble, TW has only proven that his employment should be reviewed.

 

- "Uuuse the Force, Luuuke"

- "Do or not, there is no try"

- "Governor Tarkin, I should have expected to find you holding Vader’s leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board.”

- "Master, if we keep this chase going any longer , that creep’s gonna end up deep-fried"

-“From the moment I met you, all those years ago, not a day has gone by when I haven’t thought of you. And now that I’m with you again, I’m in agony. The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. The thought of not being with you – I can’t breathe. I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me... what can I do? I will do anything you ask.” (couldn't you just retch??? lol)

- Absolutely anything that Jar Jar Binks says.

Who the hell talks like that?

This is true, I always appreciated B5 for the ease with which the viewer could relate to it. B5 is closest (IMO) to how humans may develop in the space race.

Treknobabble only occurs in problem solving situations. Outside of that, they speak proper English, otherwise known as Federation Standard.

A Sisko family argument:

Jake: I wanted to tell you, but I was afraid you wouldn't understand.
Sisko: So now you're hiding things from me?
Jake: You mean you would have understood?
Sisko: Of course not.

I don't see any overcomplicated treknobabble there. This could be any typical parent and child. I have lots more quotes if you like.

Hell, (the Universal Translator allows for) even alien species to speak English!

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This claim is incorrect, as I, a die-hard Trekkie, find that B5 is the more realistic in terms of human interaction. I am one exception to your rule, hence it invalidates your analysis. Further, all the scifi shows have their odd, technical/fantasy/abnormal conversations. That's what makes them fun!

 

Bull-schitt! In star trek, a few people would only talk like that during operations on the bridge and not even that often. The people from earth talked like any other people. Can you imagine Scottie using eight syllable words all of the time? It's very similar to what you said earlier to Enterprise-B; your selective memory has failed you!

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You forgot Jabba the Hutt lol!:bravo:

 

If a ship larger then an ISD, the Executor, can withstand an impact of three ISDs moving faster then the speed of light hitting it while they are coming out of hyperspace, and sre destroyed upon hitting the ship, causing little or no damage, then why do people keep saying SW ships ahve weak hulls. here is the image of the impact:

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Also, this is from a comic bokk which IS canon. Making the durability of the SSD canon. An Eclipse-class ship has shields, and it has far more area and is a far more complex shape then an ISD.

Here is a pic of an Eclipse-Class:

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It is roughly large enough to house about 4 ISD-2s inside it, which is equivalent to about 6 Enterprise-Es. It also carrys millions of soldiers inside as well as thousands of support vehicles such as AT-ATs, AT-STs, Artillary, AA vehicles, and quite a few others. This thing is large enough to frighten most planets into submission, at 17.5 km long, with an Axial superlaser rated at one third the DS2s firepower. It can crack the crust of a planet, destroy any ship, and is just about invincible. Also remember that the Borg do not become invincible to a weapon, but pretty damn close to it. The Axial superlaser would destroy any ST ship regardless of shield strength, and recharges fast enough that it is used mutiple times in combat. Combined with the fact that the class is usually escorted by hundreds of smaller ships, as well as the fact that it has 4 huge gravity well generators means that you are screwed if you go against it. It also has very fast engines both strategic and tactical, and can kill any ship thus far made in SW. The black hull makes it nearly impossible to see against the black background of space. When combined with the Arc Hammer series of ships, you get an armada that is very, very, very close to invincible.

For those of you who don't know, this is what the Arc Hammer looks like this:

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It can porduce entire armadas and armys in days, and is always changing locations.

 

Star Wars definitly has one advantage over Star Trek though, SW can build HUGE ships because of their large economy and Galactic funds $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

Huge, very powerful, and lots anf lots of ships.

 

Well, f*** me that ARC Hammer ship is impressive looking, I have to give you that one!

But I'm sorry haloguy, I will not accept your and TW (et al) bold claims that Trek cannot stand up to Wars weapons. This is solely based on guesswork and padded estimations.

 

Wars has a singular major advantage over Trek and money is not it. SW has an ever-changing, fluid canon structure, which allows for the addition of even ludicrous items, once they do not directly contradict what's in the movies.

At any rate, I do recognize that the Empire must indeed pour funds into its war machine. It only makes sense. Necessity is a mother; and constant war and bickering is the mother of overdone weapons.

 

Both Enterprise-D and Voyager have withstood immense gravitational forces. I direct you to the episode "STVOY: Scientific Method" where Voyager flew thru a binary star system. Everyone on Voyager was of the opinion that the ship would have been stomped flat, but they were not. Voyager's adversaries however lost one of their two vessels, when it exploded going thru the system (they were docked on Voyager's hull and couldn't get away fast enough).

Admittedly Janeway took a gamble, however, since both ships have survived gravity stresses successfully, you cannot assume that ST ships are completely helpless against gravity weapons.

 

They are used for interdiction, as the ship will generate a huge gravity field that will bring any ship out of hyperspace, where they can be estroyed by the ships very very very big gun. You know how the moon Miranda shattered and was brought back together by gravity? Weapons in SW have been know to do that, crushing ships in the gravity well. And that was 4,000 years before the Empire. The Arc Hammer is a factory ship. Meaning it can rapidly produce everything it needs with replicators with pure energy-mass conversions. Also, given that SW usually has war in at least part of the galaxy, the technollogy is rapidly changing. Given that SW has to cover a distance and time of 1.2 billion years to get to St, that leaves lots and lots of room for technollogical advancement. ST doesn't have the tech to get to the SW universe. SW however can cross the void between galaxies, due to the speed of hyperdrive.

Also, I highly doubt any ST ship can withstand a hit from a ship that can destroy a planet. there is a much smaller version of the Eclipse that is slightly larger then the Executor, called the Sovereign-class ( Strange huh? Sovereign vs Sovereign). It also can destroy planets, and is faster to build. And extreamly powerful tractor beams have been known to rip ships apart.

 

ISDs were being created in 0 bby and 1st seen in combat 0 bby so 25,000 in less than a year.

 

Scott, problem. If none of the shields glow or shimmer... why do people insist Aldaraan lighting up was a shield impact?

 

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Trek has some damn fine things as well - Federation HQ, Borg Assimilation cubes, the Voth City Ship, the Dominion Planetary Assault ship (which is almost 3x the size of an ISD and is a semi-super ship like the Eclipse2 the Dominion Dreadnaught (the size of an ISD and highly mass produced)... Hell, the Sovereign Class (which in Nemesis was 750 meters) is half the size of an ISD and it's a silly little battlecruiser.

I dunno, I just think size isn't everything... after all, X-Wing > Death Star

 

Nope size isnt everything the Suncrusher was the most powerful super weapon and it was only the size of a starfighter.

 

Yes, but only when using a force-guided projectile along with prior knowledge of the blueprints and the stations weaknesses. If it were not for the force-guided torpedo, the Rebels would of lost. Picard would need to be the luckiest man ever born in the Universe to hit a 6 foot wide target on a battlestation the size of a moon. And I'm pretty sure that a Photon torpedo is wider then six meters. Modern ones are about 2-3 feet wide and, and even then can't hit a 6 foot wide target(i.e. torpedo tube) at all, though guided.

In terms of weapons per square foot, the ISD has a much higher density then a Galaxy or Sovereign, which is both a curse and a blessing. There is less of a chance of lossing critical weapons when a part of the ship is heavily damaged, do to them being sprade apart. But fewer weapons means that there are fewer weapons banks for the enemy to destroy, and you can focus on fewer targets then a ship with more weapons. An ISD is uneffected by the loss of 25 or 30 guns, but the loss of 4 or 5 phaser banks and a few torpedo tubes on a Sovereign or Galaxy would critically weaken it. An ISD can focus on litterally dozens of targets, and can remain combat operational even after losing approx. 40 guns. In terms of fire distribution, I would take an ISD over a Sovereign any day.

Also, Photon torpedos are tipically fired in trios. Now with a Galaxy having 275 torpedos, thats 92 salvos of torpedos. I think a Sovereign has about what, 550 torpedos? Thats about 183 salvos?

 

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