Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    If phasers have no physical mass, the they would be useless against gungan shields, or am i wrong at this?
     
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  3. Fettman #1 Bounty Hunter Registered Senior Member

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    Sounds about right to me, but then again phasers are just angry flashlights.
     
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  5. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    So when phasers can't penetrate gungan shields St has only his torpedos left?:bugeye:
    sound interessting doesn't it

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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Vasago, Blaster's aren't lasers. They have a physical mass as seen when they impact- they impart a kinetic energy. Thus they can not be a light speed weapon as they would cease to be the moment they hit lightspeed. They might go .75 or .9 the speed of light, but they cannot go 100% light speed

    In Warp you move, but the universe moves as well. You move through "warp space" while you warp the rest of space around you.

    PHASERS aren't in a different dimension per say, I should have worded that better. PHASER stands for PHASed Energy Rectification. It's sort of like the Polaron beam of the Dominion- at the right frequency, it can pass through the shield harmonics of a ship.

    Phasers CAN be used in warp, but they would most likely impact the ship. It's not that they cannot be fired, but the effects wouldn't be pretty. You'd basicly shoot yourself.

    Yes, Torpedo's are warp capable vessels. They don't normally go to warp because of the interference of the warp engines on the torpedo's sensors and the difficulty such a small object has manuvering at warp. They can be fired while the ship is at warp at an object being pursued or pursuing the ship. They can also be fired and go into warp for long distance recon and engagements, though generally they come out of warp for impact (unless it is a running firefight)
     
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    gungan shields seem to be the exception to the rule in Star Wars: If Phasers proved useless against them, they would simply set off, say, a meterion cascade or perhaps use a tachyon pulse to disrupt it's coherence. The only real special thing about Gungan shields is that they show the ability to block physical mass as well as energy blasts (also they reflect sunlight off the shield itself)

    Don't forget, there are more than just Phasers and Torpedos. Disruptors are a VERY powerful weapon that expands and compresses the impacted material millions of times a second. That would cause severe stress fractures and ruptures in the hull of any Star Wars ship thanks to their apparent lack of a true structural integrity field- they have and mention inertial dampners, but not a SIF.
     
  9. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    TW, you are as stubborn as they come. Your favoured onscreen canon shows that a fleet of tiny spacecraft are very successful at dodging capital ship fire. They may destroy a few, but most of them survive. Hell an 8 year old boy piloting a - what - 5 meter (?) shuttle was able to destroy a ship measuring a couple kilometers wide. Clearly then, the targeting strategy of many of the more powerful Wars ships is half-hearted at best, possibly even dependant on sheer luck.

    I was going into a long tirade of canon I've shared with the other trekkies on this thread, but see, I got fed up of this argument somewhere around page 120 I think, I can't remember. Mostly because you constantly find ways to limit anyone that doesn't agree with you. Your strategy is easy because LucasArts facilitates any marketable, sciency-sounding flim-flam to be pseudo-canon.

    At any rate, I'm not directing any arguments at you. Most of the knowledge I've gathered I'm passing on anyways, you'll find it will become more difficult to prove your case.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Prove, he doesn't prove anything mate, he just shouts really loud until he gets his way.

    I think he needs a time out... hence why I say we should just ignore him.
     
  11. Saquist Banned Banned

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    After a 8 dozen tries 1 direct, hit...Well yeah that's sharp shooting isn't it?



    Bull...Picard Maneuver worked because the ship had only light speed sensors. That's exactly what ISD's have is light speed sensors. The lose objects and they can't track through hyperspace.

    Inferior.


    Tri Cobalt Device output is over 2000 Terrawatts of power.


    It's obvioius you're a blittering fool, TWNUTJOB
     
  12. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Very Logical, Enterprise-D.
    In the Bridge Commander Game simulations Star Wars fans vastly overestimated the accuracy of the turbo laser so that shots hit fighter 5 times out of an average ten...

    When pitted up against Federation star ships that traveled even faster than those fighters and the common Correlian cuiser they struck every time. It was wrong by Star Wars definitions...just as TW is wrong now.


    At any rate, I'm not directing any arguments at you. Most of the knowledge I've gathered I'm passing on anyways, you'll find it will become more difficult to prove your case.[/QUOTE]

    Aye, he's hopelessly lost to chasing the wind. Even the Lucas Film license of canon give us restrictions from which TW refuses to abide by. he has no rules of engagement, no standards to truth, or dedication to facts.

    That's why he's surrendered to discontinue discourse for me. He could not counter a logical arguement so ignores them.
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So, discounting Scott, do we have any further arguments from the Wars side?
     
  14. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually small problem while a ST ships is more maneuverable than her SW counterpart she is still a 200+ meter long vessel or a minimum of 10 times the length of a Y-wing and fifty times as tall and at least 20 times as wide. Your argument is aking to say that a person who has a hard time hitting a humming bird in flight is going to have the same difficulting hitting an Elphant that flies as the same speeds as a hummingbird.

    Trust me the elephant is going to get hit, often
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    What we're saying is that someone who has trouble hitting a sparrow missile with a pistol is going to have trouble hitting an SR71 blackbird with the same pistol.

    Trust me- either way they'll miss.
     
  16. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    I see, thats very interesting. I'm just still a bit puzzled on how a torpedo can leave a ships warpbubble. I'm guessing that a ship like voyager has a lot of space to compress ? I mean.... is this like, the bigger the ship the more space you have to compress ? or does that not aply in space ?
    If so than the torpede will be crused when it leaves the bubble because i don't see how a small can withstand that much presure.
    And how can a small torpedo, that's in persude compress space that's being expanded by a large ship

    I can't see no other explanation then that compressing space is not equal to the mass of a ship. Is this a wright conclusion.
    and if not it's a good example of ST technologie.

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  17. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    Oh boy, scott's gona hate for this but are u sure gungan shield can block physical mass ? aren't the droids just walking trough the shield?
     
  18. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    In ROTJ the fighter that was following the A wing was blasted to dust in less than a twelve shots. Now go ask a AA gunner how hard it is to hit a fast aircraft at point blank range at a 90 degree angle.



    ISD do have FTL sensors, they only sense out to a few light years (mere fractions of a second at hyperspace speeds)

    However the Picard Maneuver works against ST vessels for precisly the reason I explained. ST stupidly abandoned the idea of gunnery crews.


    Proof? None.
     
  19. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Not going to hate you all, you bring up an excellent point. You will not that only the slowl moving a smaller battle droids were able to penetrated the shield. Despite the droids being able to pass through, the tanks could not penetrate the barrier. This would seem to denote that the barrier was designed to stop only high energy penetrators. Anything fast moving or large would be stopped.
     
  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    By the way, I want to point out something. No particle is massless. They maybe be effectively massless, but that is not the same thing. Photons, Electrons, Tachyons, and so on actually do have a mass, but it is usually so minute (even at the speed of light) that it is effectively zero in normal conditions. In not so normal conditions they can very easily have mass, though again it is not going to be much.
     
  21. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    doesn't our sun launch billions of tons of photons every second? of is this something else ? if they are calculated in ton they have mass don't they?
     
  22. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    I'm writing a sci-fi book for kids you see. that's why i keep questioning everything like the warp and shields and stuff. I want to use things that eventually can be invented, not just tumbsucking.
    When you know our sun can produce more power in a second than a billion nuclearpowerplants in a year. How the hell do you manage to control the powercore of a deathstar?
     
  23. Enterprise-D I'm back! Warp 8 Mr. Worf! Registered Senior Member

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    Vasago: Torpedos in ST have (pared-down) warp engines. They are capable of sustaining their own warp field. The ship does not assist the torpedo to its target. This has been stated by characters in multiple episodes of various series, inclusive of Kirk, Data, LaForge, Dax (I remember these characters mentioning torpedoes and their own warp engines or warp fields, however I can't reference the exact episodes at the moment).
     
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