If God had a father, would He be ashamed of his Son?

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  1. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    religion is obviously not the answer. religion isn't god. practicing religion isn't having a relationship with god or experiencing god. my belief isn't based upon religion or religious people, so there's no one hurting or humiliating me. i don't feel compelled to worry about what other people believe or why they believe.
     
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  3. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Yes I do, what you see as perfect is a human conception based on your human senses.

    You apply "Good" and "Evil" to God, I know he resides above good and evil. anything he does is for "good" reason even if you as a human dont think so.

    Once God creates something he decides if it is good or evil, he doesn't judge it before he sees it in action.


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  5. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    As a Gnostic Christian Deist, my closest label, I am partially in your camp but if you do not feel compelled to squash the belief systems that lead to what you see above then I would suggest you find a better God. One with better morals.

    "First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)

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  7. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    So god has no knowledge beforehand whether he is creating something good or evil.

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  8. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    what better way to squash than to not participate? the last thing this world needs is another religion to pass the buck over or fight over. god is just fine with me, and that's good since there's only one. i mean, what are you afraid of, that these people are getting away with something? nobody gets away.

    and with that said, and with that focus, isn't your time better spent focusing on how you're living your life, and why, and not what other people are doing?
     
  9. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    Existence precedes essence in importance, and certainly even more so an invisible essence concocted out of wishes. Invisibility Disorder.
     
  10. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, God must have a father, a creator.
    But the father of God must have a "creator".
    So who created God or God's father, or the "first" God, if there were several generations.
    We are the God or " the first" God.

    After a long period of time (a thousand years or a million years or even a billion years)
    we have so much evolved technologically and spiritually that we can manipulate the universe and the time.
    The universe will be very exhausted and because of us.
    Our only chance is to go back in time and recreate the universe and humanity.
    But unfortunately, the history continue to repeat (or not) because we are in a time loop.

    So we (from the future) are the God.

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  11. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.
    Enjoy doing nothing.

    Get thee behind me Satan.

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    DL
     
  12. jayleew Who Cares Valued Senior Member

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    Hypothetically, how you have described it, seems to make sense as to what he'd say. Of course, a theist might say, this moment in time is infinitely small to eternity, and in the grand scheme of things, he's right on course and probably would approve of the plan to save the world. You must understand that their view is that god exists and they must trust their god, and they believe all the words of the scriptures that spells out the plan. There's nothing wrong at all, this is just a speck of dust in the hourglass of time. Praise god for free will and that he has everything in hand!

    You can't touch their god-glasses.
     
  13. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    I can believe that..he puts us together and winds us up,and laughs when we bump into each other, and cheers when we line up and head in the right direction..
     
  14. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    oh shove your rhetoric up your butt why don't you?

    NOBODY does NOTHING, and everyone gets what they want.

    you sound like you think the world will be rid of evil by a new religion or political agenda. all you need is a pulpit and a collection plate. the real question is what are you doing to make the world a better place? bitching about something that's none of your business? bitching about god? rationalizing sin? trying to convince others that somehow miraculously after they die, their evil intentions don't matter anymore? you want to pretend like god isn't brutal? take a look out your window gia. god's obviously brutal. you're not doing yourself or anybody else any favors.
     
  15. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    Have you been reading some new age bretharian books or something, You sound like a 5%er lol.


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  16. Emil Valued Senior Member

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    I have not ever heard of it.
     
  17. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    So we (from the future) are the God. — Emil

    The future is the only place that a unified universal mind might be found, and 'forever systems' do have access in the present to their own future, for example, there was no first star, and no first anything.
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Supposition.

    Supposition. Our universe is the first one ever to have stars.
    For reference the previous universe was composed entirely of stacked cans of tuna (no more than 23 high) and the next will be solid frozen Glenfiddich.
     
  19. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    And I'm sure that Chi can make a fish story out of this fish supermarket, plus we can use the secret code of drawing a fish in the sand, or even draw it on the water.
     
  20. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    ok..i'll bite..what does that mean?
     
  21. jayleew Who Cares Valued Senior Member

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    I wish I could comment on what I thought he meant by that, but it would just be mean...although funny It's one of those things..

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