Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I admitted my mistake with the missile - it was something I had been pretty well sure of and when I went back and re-checked, I was indeed wrong. So drop it - I was man enough to concede it to you, but the point still stands - Soran isn't the only one to use a Trilithium warhead to try to pop a star...

    And I still don't see where you get millions of warships from for the Imperium... not one source I have looked at states anything NEAR that high. If it's coming from the books, show me - I haven't read all the books, and the ones I have were focused on the Space Marines, not the Imperial Navy...
     
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  3. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    could not agree with you more

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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    My final point to pin this topic is this:

    We have seen Star Wars ships fail to see a ship that attached itself to the backside of their own allies ship... terrible to be honest. Look out the damn window fer crying out loud.

    We have WH40K ships that are bloody huge... why, I really don't know. Their size has no real meaning unless perhaps they cannot shrink their weapons technology down to a manageable amount... enormous mass is a decent defense, but is quickly overcome.

    Star Trek is not the most powerful or fastest... but it's got the best balance. Ships capable of performing a variety of missions in a variety of situations all with high degrees of success... from exploration and first contact to diplomatic escorts to all out battle situations. Their ships are quick, nimble, and capable of fighting most ships able to keep pace with them, and of outrunning ships able to outgun them, and, in the end, the crew makes the ship what it really is...

    We have seen some serious incompetency on the Star Wars side... I dont' know much about the WH40K ship crews, but if they are anything like the imperial soldiers in the WH40K PC games... heh. A few good holograms and they'll piss themselves

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    That's just going off the games though, so I can't be sure

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  7. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, I was ready to let it go until you tried to insult me by saying ""unlike you, I actually research what I say." Sorry, but if you spout a bunch of bullshit, get called on it, and admit your mistake, immediately turning around and saying something like that probably isn't the best idea.
    The disk of the galaxy is about 2000 lightyears thick with a radius of 60000 lightyears. Divide that into sectors that are 8 million cubic lightyears each, and you get 2.8 million sectors. Multiply that by 50 ships per sector, and you get about 140 million capital ships (cruisers and battleships), and probably at least twice that in smaller scout ships and escorts (although even the smallest scouts and escorts are bigger than a Galaxy class ship).

    These huge numbers make sense, given that the imperium has a billion worlds. How many war ships would you expect them to have?
     
  8. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    do i read this correctly??? worf hacked into their computer and told it what to say ????? hmmmm doesn't sound good for ST does it.
     
  9. Lord Vasago bcd Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not saying those schips aren't 8km long. but if you look closely to the comparising picture and you know that a isd is 480m tall then this ship is between 6,9 and 7km high.

    I don't know this wh40k but if that is the ship fedr is talking about their is a slight problem. Your ships have shields but they rely more on there amor (please correct me if i'm wrong) but how the hell do you defend your ship when there are windows higher than a isd. it must be extremely tough glass.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    1) Where are you getting these numbers from...?

    2) If their ships are as fast and as powerful as you claim, I wouldn't expect them to need more than a few thousand to maintain order... unless revolts and rebellions are common as in Star Wars...
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Worf is the Tactical Officer on board the Enterprise... as such, he knew the remote lockout codes used to disable a ship in the event it somehow falls into enemy hands (case in point, wrath of khan)... instead of disabling the Enterprise, he made it see "false" images...

    And before you say it, no... not every joe schmoe knows the lockout codes. Mostly, it's captains and above that can even ACCESS them, with Admirals knowing them readily. Worf only knew it because he's the tactical officer

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  12. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    It comes from the Battlefleet Gothic rule book. You can confirm it here:http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy
    Dude, they have a billion planets to police. Even with 150 million ships, that means they have many planets for every ship.
    Yeah, rebellion is a constant concern. But an even bigger issue is the constant threat from invaders from other galaxies, ancient alien races with far fewer ships but much more advanced technology, etc. Not to mention the fact that a while ago half the navy rebelled and went off to another dimension via a gateway that they still regularly use to launch massive attacks against the imperium.
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, then we have a problem - how many ships of theirs would it take to fend off a single Chaos Marine squadron?
     
  14. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Yes he owes it to Asimov, I was leaving the obvious out. However his main personality is much like an emotionaless C-3po, constantly intrigued, amazed and disppointed in sentient beings.
     
  15. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually he told Riker he could come up with a distraction, not erase them from sensor grid.


    The ship had a few grams of antimatter, far less than what their sensoprs would even have detected. hell the Enterprises interior sensors had no clue there was any antimatter aboard out of caontainment. The Enterprise detected no antimatter aboard the Hathaway.

    But this put he the lie to the test, having a lock on require active scanner to be sweeping the area. After all you don;t losse lock on if you or the enemy moves. So the scanners were active .

    As usual, it is indeed you who are wrong. Been reading a little too much of your own fanfic, i guess.
     
  16. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    However even a half way decent hacker can hack Star Trek computers as shown by Voyager when they headed back in time. It's not technology that gets you through but talent. And SW ships as routine carry Slicers (what SW calls hackers)


    However, think on thism, Worf made the Ferengi vessel see a ghost vessel that was not there and rapidly approaching. So tell me again he neede the codes to do that.
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Except with two key differences:

    1) He's not afraid to risk himself to save his friends (unlike the yellow bellied C3P90)

    2) He strives to improve himself... C3P0 strives for nothing... at all...
     
  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    ferengi starship =/= federation starship, so right there you can't argue the ferengi could have done the same to the Enterprise :

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    As for HOW he did that, I haven't the foggiest. Maybe the Ferengi neglected to encrypt their computer systems... god only knows they aren't the brightest species in the world.
     
  19. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually C-3PO has performed some rather selfless acts of accidental heroism. Though you are right, but that just shows how much more humanlike he is after all he's a diplomat and interpretor, not a soldier.

    Incorrect, C-3PO, like all droids strive to make the being they view as their masters happy, healthy, and satisfied with their performance. Despite have self preservation software they would do anything they are asked even in C3PO's case pretending to be a God becuase Luke told him what to say.
     
  21. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Are you serious, I told you he could not erase them? And remember the Enterprise was looking fo the hathaway and then the sudden appearance of a 'Romulan Warbird' made the turn their back and as they were other wise distracted Riker swept down out of the pole scoring several hits.


    The ship had a few grams of antimatter, far less than what their sensoprs would even have detected. hell the Enterprises interior sensors had no clue there was any antimatter aboard out of caontainment. The Enterprise detected no antimatter aboard the Hathaway.

    Because there WAS NONE. They had a 2 second warp jump because of Wesley's experiment in high-energy particle physics... it wasn't antimatter by any standard of the word. Jackass...




    Hey modern day vessels can do many thngs today that ST canon states is impossible for ST vessels.

    However you do not obtain a lock on in a modern nuclear sub with passive sonar, you use it to passively detect possible enemies without actively sending out pulses.
     
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  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually as they produce war vessels on par with the Federation Galaxy class cruiser they must have something going for them. Also as even Quark showed the ability to hack Federation replicators, I doubt the race would leave their computers so open after information is money.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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