Star Wars vs Star Trek

I think we've reached a consensus here: Turbolasers might have a hard time damaging the shields, but I think we've agreed that it would have a similar effect to a BoP Disruptor cannon if it hits hull.

Q pretty much stay neutral throughout the war.

Future Federation might possibly intervene, though if the Imperial Invasion already happened and is in their database, it won't happen.

Trek ships will have a hard time detecting in-bound Wars ships, due to the fact that hyperspace is in another dimension (Possibly implying that Wars has more advanced FTL?).

Borg just assimilate everything and the kitchen sink.

Ferengi try to trade with both sides. (Possibly a very good or bad thing for both sides. For example, Ferengi Phasers and Plasma Cannons being traded to the Imps in exchange for hyperdrives.)

Cardassians,Romulans, Dominion, and Breen just shoot any ship that attacks them.

Vulcans would try first-contact (Possibly how war starts?).

Could possibly take place in an alternate universe.

Imps have superior manufacturing capability, possibly overwhelming Federation ships.

Am I headed in the right direction?

 

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Quantum cannons are essentially large cannons that shoot relatively weak Quantum torpedos very rapidly. Except that the cannon uses energy from the ships core to prodcue these little projectiles. I'm not entrely sure if its canon, though. Though he weapon does externally look like a Quantum torpedo.

 

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You mean the Defiants Micro Torpedoes?

 

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No. Similar, but their weaker then even Micros, and are essentially giant disruptor cannons that self-generate quantum projectiles. Though, externally the projectiles look like quantum torpedos.

 

We never see Prometheus fire a Quantum torpedos
The never say Prometheus has quantum torpedos

Defiant tested the first full fledge Quantum torpedoes they are MkII Quantum Torpedoes according to the DS9 Technicial manal. Only Fan based material refers to them as micro quantums.

Likely the reason why Defiants Quantums are smaller and less destructive is because the size of the ships antimatter supply requires the ship use a lower yield in the quantum war heads.

Enterprise is a bigger ship an thus would be more generous with it's quantums. Which is why Enterprise destroyed the Sphere in 4 hits.

 

Uhm... the Torpedo's aren't "charged" via the ships anti-matter stores... that's only when they PRODUCE the torpedoes. And Q-Torps cannot be manufactured on ships yet (at least, not that we've seen)... they are micro torpedoes. Taking the size of the torp vs the size of the defiant, knowing the size of the defiant, and then doing that same ratio with the ent-E, there is an obvious descrepancy.

And I would say we can safely assume the Prometheus would indeed have quantum torpedoes as it's another product of the ASDB (Advanced Starship Design Beauro)

 

The Torpedos are actually supplied with anti-matter. That is how the yield is controled. Antimatter is not stored anywhere else on the ship but in the magnetic containment pods. that is the only anti-matter on the ships. The Torpedos do not have they're own supply. That would be stupid. Destroying the torpedo cash would result in the destruction of the ship. That didn't happend to Enterprise when struck directly on the torpedo tube....that didn't happen to Reliant when the tubes were destroyed.

Size is irreleveant, Kitt the manuel show Defiants torpdoes are 6' long and full torpedos.
Micro torpedos are 13 centimeters long and used on runabouts and apparently DS9 launchers.

Again you assume but you do not know. Prometheus is was experimental and it's unlikely the ship will be put into active service.

 

I was wrong. Its not called the Quantum Cannon. Its called the Quantum Turret. Isn't a seperate weapons system from the Quantum torpedoes?

 

Saquist, I would like to see this... and remember, the DS9 tech manual is no more "cannon" than what I infer from the show itself... and DS9 doesn't use micro torps... unless a salvo of micro-photons can obliterate a Vor'Cha on their own...

 

According to the Manual which is not canon, by Herman Zimmerman Rick Sternbach and Doug Drezler Intro by Ira Steven Behr.

Rotary Phasers and Mircotorpedo Launcher and Phaser Bars

At the end of 2369, after Deep Space9 had been officially establised as a Starfleet-admistered orbital facility.... The EPS lines were restored and relocated, allowing room for new photon and later quantum torpedo lauchers and loader elevators above the +Y and below the -Y phaser emitters (see 10.2). The ype-19 emitter segmenst each direct 4.8 megawatts, and upated firecontrol algorithms allow multiple segments to comine the beam energies of up to six segments. This results in a mulitpiled force coupling at the target, which can be effective in reducing the in-thearter time of a threat force vessel due to shield withering, independen of any spacecraft destruction that might occur.

The biggest Upgrade is the adaptation of the Planetary phasers. These are Type -11.

With the adition of the planetary phaser arrays, as well as the mobile weaons platform provided by the U.S.S. Defiant , it is no longer possible to overwhelm even a single one-third wedge of the Deep Space 9 defenseive perimter with ship numbers below fifteen Galor-class vessels.

Photon Torpedos (brief)
Photon torpedoes are fired from twin launcher tubes in each half of each weapon sail tower, for a total of twelve launchers. Matter and antimatter reactant loading takes place prior to locking the tube breech and after carriage of the prepared casings from the protected magazine. The magazine is situated on the sail tower midline, inboard of the present weapon control room.

Quantum Torpedoes (brief)

As in the history of laser-induced fusion, zero-point energy generation began with a negative energy balance requireing a greater input of high-temperture EPS Plasma to intitate the reaction than what was actually produced by operated experimentally in 2236, invovled the formation of an eleven-dimensional space-time membrane. A cousin of the superstring. The membrane was twisted into a string with a topology of Genus 1 and pinched off from the background vacuum, calling into existence a new particle.

So the manual may not be canon but it does come from an official source thus there is no need to speculate concerning what the Quantum and phton torpedo are. According to the manual micro torpedo only exist in as photon warheads. There is no such thing as a "mirco quantum torpedo" warhead.

 

This is just a different typ of launcher. It isn't official. Nor is the weapon any different.

 

I don't know... that would mean the defiant carrys a VERY small compliment of torps...

 

Voyager had a mission duraction of 2 years and enough antimatter to supply 35 torpedos
So if Defiant is smaller you're probably correct. Defiant likely has a small amount a quantum and photon casings. Say 2 dozen.

 

Are you sure? I'm under the impression that Quantum torpedos take up more space then photons, evidenced by their need for a specialized launcher.

 

yep there is little size differnce. If anything Quantums are slimmer.
When they might need is a greater charge of energy through the rail gun and a larger amount of antimatter and matter....

However according to the Manual it seems the Quantums take less antimatter.

 

So they use railguns to launch something containing anti-matter and matter down a track and into space... thats just plain stupid engineering. If a single problem happened with the magnetic field, the warhead would likely detonate inside the ship. Or worse, jam the tube and nobody notice it, so that the next time someone launches one....

 

How else would you do?
The weapon isn't armed untill it's left the ship...you can tell because photons actually get brighter onces they've traveled a certain distance for the ship...and it happends everytime.

 

Star Trek has a pretty cheesy way out with the whole deus ex machina Q continuum. Do you really think they would let their universe lose?

 

Why use the Q.
The Galaxy has proven to have ample fire power to take on an ISD.
One second of phaser power quivalent to one volley of 60 anti-figheter turbolasers. That's more than enough firepower to put down the ISD.

Star Wars is based on World War II combat and fantasy, Star Trek is based on Sci Fi, theory and Fiction. It's ships fight in a Sub like combat style.

Truth is even if those captial ship weapons (Heavy Turbo Lasers) are ten times stronger than the anti-fighter weapons they don't have nearly enough of them.

 

Because they are part of the Star Trek universe,,, mmmm just maybe?

You don't even need that kind trump card(nonetheless, that card is still there). How would Star Wars ever handle the Borg?