Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Saquist Banned Banned

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    We can't seem ther Flectarn.
    But I can image the shots.

    Exactly...
    I'm about to conduct some research about the true size of the Falcon, Star Destroyer and Asteroid in CAD over the next week to see just how big the asteroid was....It should prove intresting....




    It's the defense of that stupid thing I balk at.
    I mean come on. That thing was practicaly defenseless.
    Who leaves out point defense against snub fighters. Everytime they build one they have an "EASY Button" installed or a map and Entrance to the Generator.

    How much sense does this make?



    Transporters
    Cloak
    Stealth
    Transphasic Torpedos
    Quantum Torpedoes
    Ablative Armor
    Deployable Armor
    Regenerative Shields

    Trek has the weapons and defense depart down.
     
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  3. Flectarn Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    Just copy and paste the url into your browsers navigation bar
     
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  5. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    Time Lords?? Elaborate, who would be on par with these Time Lords???
     
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  7. Hellblade8 Valued Senior Member

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    The United Federation of Planets. If you forgot, the 31st century Federation has pretty much the same role as the Time Lords, except they're more competent and aren't archaic. Not to mention, that when one of their ships go boom, it takes out an entire solar system with it. Or rather, the 26th century ones did, but my point remains.

    The 31st UFP could very well challenge the Time Lords or the Daleks, and would promptly crush the Galactic Empire without so much as breaking a sweat.

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  8. USS Athens Very Special Senior Member Valued Senior Member

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    What "fantasy world" was James refering to?
     
  9. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Ah...I see them now.
    Nice site. Never been there before...Got good pics from other areas.
     
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  11. Saquist Banned Banned

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    I just ran a series of computer models on the Falcon's size. It seems confirmed that the ship is indeed forty meter in length from bow to stern and so 30 meter port to star board.

    I'm have a much more difficult time deciphering the size of the asteroids. Assuming they are along the same path of the falcon...It may be too early to tell but this may mean the asteroid is along the same diameter as well. It would confirm Wong's numbers surpisingly. I was expecting his estimate from the cmparison of the falcon to the shield globe on the tower to be a gross mistake.

    It turns out the ship dimensions site which has the Falcon at 23 meters is way off. I can currently see no reason to suspect that the Falcon is any smaller or the asteroid themselves as smaller.
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Saquist, compare the falcons size to that of the ISD it attached to. That is, I think, where the 23 meter estimate comes from, considering we really don't know the size of the asteroids.
     
  13. Sardonic Crisis The God Emperor Registered Senior Member

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    Well yeah, they would have an easy time with SW. However, in the case of Dune the UFP would have one hell of a time. Think of the Time Lord UFP having to deal with their plans being countered already in the past. Dune has the prescience factor that negates the worries of time travel.

    Plus my supposition was that the UFP would have been already run by the Dune universe by the 31st century. Although it would appear that they controlled themselves.

    This is where Dune is unmatched: Espionage and infiltration.
     
  14. Saquist Banned Banned

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    That's where wong go his 40meter estimate from.
    I figured it was wrong like most things Wong says but in relation to the ISD it's attached to it is indeed 40 meters which means those rocks were along a similar size...likely they were 34 to 36 meters across. I say that because the explosions never apear to be between the camera and the falcon but on the other side or just above the falcon and the Falcon seems to be flying a pretty straight course.

    I orginally thought the best comparison of the Falcon's size would be to measure the interior...specifily the seating beteween the pilot and copilot. Amazingly...40 meters is not quite enough. It's almost to snug in the cabin at 3.2 meters but I think that would do.

    Anywho...I was completely surprised that the Falcon was that big...40 meters... CAD was fairly accurate...but it still couldn't narrow downt he size of the rock more specifly with out a distance estimate.

    I sized a 3d wireframe of the Falcon, the rock, and the ISD and placed a frame around the scene that woulc isolate the direction the ISD was traveling and the distance from the ISD from the camera. I had to estimate the Falcon's and the asteroid's position. While the ISD's position is really, really accurate because it's partally on scree/off screen the Falcon is not it's hovering in the middle of the scene. I estimated that it was on a direct course away from the ISD directly in fron of it's prow. But other than exactly where the asteroid was...there no way to tell how big it was with out more information on the asteroid.

    I told TWScott this was impossible. That dud is such an idiot. You can't decipher true distance without the size of the asteroid...nor can you decipher the size of the asteroid with out the distances from the asteroid. We're missing one too many variables.. IT's impossible...
     
  15. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Having said that in order for the turbo lasers to be missing as much as they were the falcon had to be variing it's course by as much as 3 to 5 times it's width as it dodged from port to starboard.

    The Falcon is 30meters wide. That means a target area of 90 meters to 150 meters to either side (longer than the length of the Tantive IV) The asteroid's could have been anywhere within that immediate line of sight from the camera to the falcon with room for error of 150m.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Not really - the temporal shielding of all 30th century federation ships, bases, and planets prevents past changes from affecting their future.
     
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  18. Maxwell Xii Registered Member

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    my ships could blow either demention apart

    my ships could blow any one to bits

    CLASS: t-Sian <REFIT>
    NAME: NRS. T-SIAN
    TYPE: Demensional Dreadnought
    First commissioned: 3212
    Dimensions:
    Length: 8600M
    Width: 6880M
    Height: 4300M
    RACE: unknown
    SUBLIGHT SPEED: (MIN: 50,000,000 KM/H) (max: 500,000,000 KM/H)
    HYPERLIGHT SPEED: (CRUISEING SPEED: WARP 34.5 EQUIVILENT) (MAX EMERGENCY SPEED: WARP 44.5 EQUIVILENT SUSTANABLE FOR 26 HOURS),
    SUBLIGHT ENGINES: 6- SORAIN MK. 2.7 {EXPERIMENTIAL TRANSPHASIC IMPUSLE DRIVE (W/HYPER-THRUST VECTORING TECH)}
    HYPERLIGHT-DRIVE: 2- SORION MK. 1.9 {EXPERIMENTIAL TRANSPHASIC HYPER DRIVE)
    HYPER DRIVE CLASS: 0.00000000000000001

    WEAPONS: *all weapons are hidden in the hull*
    • 122,000,- NEUTRONIUM QUADPHASED POSITRON TURRETS
    • 140,000,000,- POINT DEFENCE TURRETS
    • 22,000- PHASED ION CANNONS
    • 15,000,000 -DEFENCE DRONES
    • 24,000- TORPEDO TUBES (magazine capacity per tube: 120,000,000 Positron torpedoes, 40,000,000,000 Chronotron torpedoes)

    DEFENCES:
    • TEMPORAL SHEILDS
    • ADV. QUADPHASED SELF-REGENERATING SHEILDS
    • PROTOTYPE MULTIPHASIC SHIELDS
    • TRANSPHASIC CLOAK (allowing it to travel trough solid mater)
    • 10m -BIO-REGENERATING HULL PLATING(living hull plating that is almost imposible to kill)
    • 30m -ALTIEREAN DURANIUM ARMOR(3,600 times as strong the hull of the wells timeship)

    COMPLEMENT:
    SHIPS:
    • 36,000 ECLIPSE CLASS GUNSHIPS
    • 800 SHUTLES
    CREW:
    • 60- OFFICERS min 100-max
    • 440- CREW max

    it has the abilty to travel in and out of universes with almost no energy involved

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    IS THIS BETTER?
     
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  19. draqon Banned Banned

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    from engineering perspective the above spaceship is impossible to construct and come anywhere close to operate...let alone have any real physics back it up
     
  20. Maxwell Xii Registered Member

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    dont worry ive got bigger ones

    TERREN STAR DEFENDER
    TERREN IMPERIAL DEFENCE FIGHTER OR T.I.D.F.
    THE STAR DEFENDER I'LL DO LATER

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    CLASS: T.I.D.F.
    TYPE: fighter
    First commissioned: 3212
    Dimensions:
    Length: 22M
    Width: 14M
    Height: 4M
    RACE: terren
    SUBLIGHT SPEED: (MIN: 5000KM/H) (max: 15,000, KM/H)
    HYPERLIGHT SPEED:
    SUBLIGHT ENGINES: 6-CORAL MK. 40.5 {IMPUSLE ENGINES (W/HYPER-THRUST VECTORING TECH)}
    HYPERLIGHT-DRIVE: NONE

    WEAPONS:
    • 8 -NEUTRONIUM QUADPHASED POSITRON CANNONS
    • 8 -PHASED TWIN ION CANNONS
    • 15,000 -DEFENCE DRONES
    • 7- TORPEDO TUBES (magazine capacity per tube: 120 Positron torpedoes, 60 Chronotron torpedoes)

    DEFENCES:
    • ADV. HEAVY NEUTRONIUM SELF-REGENERATING SHEILDS
    • 0.25m BASKAR ARMOR(mandelorian steel armor)
    • 0.25m REGENERATING HULL
     
  21. Maxwell Xii Registered Member

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    or how about the KATANA


    CLASS: KATANA
    NAME: EXPER. KATANA
    TYPE: Destroyer/Dreadnought
    First commissioned: 3212
    Dimensions:
    Length: 9KM
    Width: 2.5KM
    Height: 2.5KM
    RACE: TERREN
    SUBLIGHT SPEED: (MIN: 50,000,000 KM/H) (max: 500,000,000 KM/H)
    HYPERLIGHT SPEED: (CRUISEING SPEED: WARP 23 EQUIVILENT) (MAX EMERGENCY SPEED: WARP 26 EQUIVILENT SUSTANABLE FOR 48 HOURS),
    SUBLIGHT ENGINES: 10- SABER MK. 6.2 ION IMPUSLE DRIVE
    HYPERLIGHT-DRIVE: 5- SABER MK. 2.51
    HYPER DRIVE CLASS: 0.000000000002

    WEAPONS:
    • 64- NEUTRONIUM QUADPHASED POSITRON TURRETS
    • 120,000,000,- HEAVY POINT DEFENCE TURRETS
    • 44,000- PHASED ION CANNONS
    • 150,000 -DEFENCE DRONES
    • 24- TORPEDO TUBES (magazine capacity per tube: 1,000,000 Positron torpedoes, 40,000,000 Chronotron torpedoes)
    • 4 -PARTICAL ANNIHILATOR TURRETS

    DEFENCES:
    • ADV. NEUTRONIUM SELF-REGENERATING SHEILDS
    • PROTOTYPE MULTIPHASIC SHIELDS
    • CLOAK
    • ADV. RAZOR SHEILDS (CAN CUT THROUGH JUST ABOUT ANYTHING)

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    • 4m -BIO-REGENERATING HULL PLATING(living hull plating that is almost imposible to kill)
    • 30m -CORRDAN DURANIUM ARMOR(600 times as strong the hull of the wells timeship)

    COMPLEMENT:
    SHIPS:
    • 6,000 x-804 STARFIGHTERS
    • 800 T.I.D.F.
    CREW:
    • 10- OFFICERS min 20-max
    • 440- OTHER CREW
    • 2-AMBASSADORS
    • 3400- FIGHTER PILOTS


    or the SABER?!
    CLASS: KATANA
    NAME: EXPER. KATANA
    TYPE: Destroyer/Dreadnought
    First commissioned: 3212
    Dimensions:
    Length: 9KM
    Width: 2.5KM
    Height: 2.5KM
    RACE: TERREN
    SUBLIGHT SPEED: (MIN: 50,000,000 KM/H) (max: 500,000,000 KM/H)
    HYPERLIGHT SPEED: (CRUISEING SPEED: WARP 23 EQUIVILENT) (MAX EMERGENCY SPEED: WARP 26 EQUIVILENT SUSTANABLE FOR 48 HOURS),
    SUBLIGHT ENGINES: 10- SABER MK. 6.2 ION IMPUSLE DRIVE
    HYPERLIGHT-DRIVE: 5- SABER MK. 2.51
    HYPER DRIVE CLASS: 0.000000000002

    WEAPONS:
    • 32- NEUTRONIUM QUADPHASED POSITRON TURRETS
    • 60,000,000,- HEAVY POINT DEFENCE TURRETS
    • 11,000- PHASED ION CANNONS
    • 150,000 -DEFENCE DRONES
    • 12- TORPEDO TUBES (magazine capacity per tube: 500,000 Positron torpedoes, 20,000,000 Chronotron torpedoes)
    • 2 -PARTICAL ANNIHILATOR TURRETS

    DEFENCES:
    • NEUTRONIUM SELF-REGENERATING SHEILDS
    • CLOAK
    • SABER SHEILDS (CAN CUT THROUGH JUST ABOUT ANYTHING)

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    • 2m -BIO-REGENERATING HULL PLATING(living hull plating that is almost imposible to kill)
    • 30m -SOLARIUM DURANIUM ARMOR(30 times as strong the hull of the wells timeship)

    COMPLEMENT:
    SHIPS:
    • 3,000 x-804 STARFIGHTERS
    • 400 T.I.D.F.
    CREW:
    • 10- OFFICERS min 20-max
    • 440- OTHER CREW
    • 2-AMBASSADORS
    • 3400- FIGHTER PILOTS
     
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  22. Maxwell Xii Registered Member

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    I KNOW THE FEDS HAVE SOMTHING LIKE 1,232,000,000 SHIPS
     
  23. Maxwell Xii Registered Member

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    what about
    the borg v/s human form replicators
    or
    the anchients AND ori v/s the jedi AND sith?!
    or
    the asgard v/s the klingons or romulans or speicies 8472?!

    or even
    the gould and wriath v/s the federation and mirror empire?!
     
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